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Brexit Megathread Part 3: COP26 and beyond. The Empire is no more.

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prettybird · 31/10/2021 17:49

The old thread is nearly full so as COP26 is in my home town, I thought I'd start the next one.

I'm not expecting anything wonderful from COP26. The selfishness that is Brexit will extend to the rich nations - or rather corporations, countries and cronies - not wanting to do anything that might actually cost them money or hurt their profits and having made their money on the back of the resources of the poorer nations (in some cases quite literally Sad), they'll expect them to pay the price for the riches of the West.

The deliberate mistranslation of France's letter to the EU will distract from real issues - but that's ok for BJ as he can then blame the perfidious French.

Nothing changes.

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AuldAlliance · 02/12/2021 22:04

Some of the BBC's reporting is a little more incisive than the rest:
twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1466494479142113282?s=20

Peregrina · 02/12/2021 22:20

I know that one or two friends broke the rules last year and had 90 year old relatives for Christmas lunch.

Now hearing that Johnson's cronies were getting off their faces with booze in Downing Street, I am very glad that they had the sense to do so - especially knowing that this could have been the last Christmas they spent together.

HannibalHayeski · 02/12/2021 23:04

And top trolling by Norway with the tree. The UK tried to pull a fast one during negotiations with Norway on fish quotas, so...

Peregrina · 02/12/2021 23:17

Sorry, what has Norway done or not done with the Christmas Tree?

Peregrina · 02/12/2021 23:24

Ah just seen the pix of the Christmas Tree - it does look a little sad. Still why should any other country bother to send their best to us, when we spend all our time insulting them.

jgw1 · 03/12/2021 07:29

@Peregrina

Ah just seen the pix of the Christmas Tree - it does look a little sad. Still why should any other country bother to send their best to us, when we spend all our time insulting them.
Well they are foreign so deserve insulting and should bow down to Great Britain.
Lonelycrab · 03/12/2021 10:01

Pmk and Lol that scrawny effort of a tree sent by NorwayGrin We really are now the billy-no-mates of the international community aren’t we. Go us!

Peregrina · 03/12/2021 10:11

I thought we were GLOBAL BRITAIN. Have I missed something? Grin

jgw1 · 03/12/2021 10:52

@Peregrina

I thought we were GLOBAL BRITAIN. Have I missed something? Grin
Indeed we are. Global Britain includes England which has trade deals with a wide range of countries including Wales and the Isle of Man.
DuncinToffee · 03/12/2021 12:05

Fish war latest. Not a big breakthrough but a significant advance which, by implication, weakens the UK and Jersey govt positions.
Guernsey has just issued 43 permanent licenses for French boats to fish within the island’s 12 mile limit. 1/6

twitter.com/john_lichfield/status/1466072426341715979?t=CVWlz2aI8M9g6Dsf9LxseA&s=19

bellinisurge · 03/12/2021 14:13

The tree was supposed to look better lit up. I've seen photo of it lit up. Still looks shite.

Octavia174 · 03/12/2021 20:37

Unite is reducing funding to the Labour party, Labour insiders say they don't have enough funds to fight By-Elections, let alone a GE (CH4 News)

Its hard to see that with the opposition supporters more interested in destroying the Labour party than tackling the Cons, that the next GE wont be a shoe in for the Tories.

Wasn't last yesterdays by-election warning enough for them?

Peregrina · 04/12/2021 10:21

If you are talking about Thursday's by election - a 10% swing to Labour where the population is older than the average, home owning and very Brexity isn't a bad result.

Octavia174 · 04/12/2021 10:34

@Peregrina

If you are talking about Thursday's by election - a 10% swing to Labour where the population is older than the average, home owning and very Brexity isn't a bad result.
I think if Labour cannot win all by-elections (obv not the David Amess one) given the current state of the country and with BoJo in power, then they have no chance at the next GE once the Tory election and media campaigns start in earnest.

Tories are excellent at getting their vote out, Labour are excellent at in-fighting & giving the Tories the ammunition they need to win, look at the freezing out of Raynor.

LouiseCollins28 · 04/12/2021 10:38

@Peregrina

If you are talking about Thursday's by election - a 10% swing to Labour where the population is older than the average, home owning and very Brexity isn't a bad result.
Agree, really not a bad result for Labour at all in Bexley. Yes number of votes way down by the same for every other contender, turnout more than halved compared to a GE.

Nonethless, a swing away from the Conservatives towards Labour in an area where as, Peregrina points out, conditions make it very unlikely to be other than a Conservative win overall.

LouiseCollins28 · 04/12/2021 10:44

North Shropshire will be one to watch since the former MP Owen Paterson recently resigned in disgrace.

Really different situation to Bexley where the former MP there James Brokenshire died very young and was well liked by his consituents and respected across the spectrum (I think?)

North Shropshire should be a better change for an oppostion party to take it, but am I right in thinking the Lib Dems are pushing harder than Labour to win there? Still a very Conservative seat historically I understand.

Peregrina · 04/12/2021 12:15

An interesting set of statistics from Thursday's by election

Tory votes
2017 - 29545
2019 - 29786 = +2.3%
2021 11, 189 = - 62.43%

Although we can't read too much into by election results, it does look like a lot of Tory voters stayed away.

AuldAlliance · 04/12/2021 15:13

Piece here by a former French ambassador:

We can’t understand how an agreement negotiated, signed and proclaimed as fantastic is not then respected by the very people at the heart of it.

Paris is finding that it is impossible to work seriously with Johnson’s government.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/04/it-is-impossible-to-work-seriously-with-boris-johnsons-government

Peregrina · 04/12/2021 15:59

I don't understand how the Brexiters have such hatred for anything to do with the EU. Even rules that the UK helped to make.

Or other non EU things, like the ECHR - drawn up mainly by British lawyers after the horror of WW2.

Octavia174 · 04/12/2021 16:48

@Peregrina

I don't understand how the Brexiters have such hatred for anything to do with the EU. Even rules that the UK helped to make.

Or other non EU things, like the ECHR - drawn up mainly by British lawyers after the horror of WW2.

Two wars and a world cup! they believe the UK can once again be a world power IF only those pesky europeans would pipe down!

Its why they keep coming out with statements like "the EU is finished, we wont be the first to leave etc etc"

90% of the Brexitiers i know are not big thinkers and tbh are easily led.

Sounds a bit arrogant, its not meant to be but generally speaking, the better educated voted to remain.

jgw1 · 04/12/2021 17:10

90% of the Brexitiers i know are not big thinkers and tbh are easily led.

It is remoaners like you who are not big thinkers.
Think global Britain, rather than an island on the edge of Europe.

Eve · 04/12/2021 20:55

Another Brexit supporter , Rocco Forto not liking the consequences

www.ft.com/content/84373350-951f-439d-a141-8c95e121a08b

HannibalHayeski · 04/12/2021 20:57

Rocco Fawlty?

Eve · 04/12/2021 21:16

Oops mistyped Forte

And as someone said on Twitter:

Due to Brexit shortages he's now known as Rocco Twenty.

Peregrina · 04/12/2021 21:29

Oh dear, it's hard to feel any sympathy.

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