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Brexit Megathread Part 3: COP26 and beyond. The Empire is no more.

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prettybird · 31/10/2021 17:49

The old thread is nearly full so as COP26 is in my home town, I thought I'd start the next one.

I'm not expecting anything wonderful from COP26. The selfishness that is Brexit will extend to the rich nations - or rather corporations, countries and cronies - not wanting to do anything that might actually cost them money or hurt their profits and having made their money on the back of the resources of the poorer nations (in some cases quite literally Sad), they'll expect them to pay the price for the riches of the West.

The deliberate mistranslation of France's letter to the EU will distract from real issues - but that's ok for BJ as he can then blame the perfidious French.

Nothing changes.

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HesterThrale · 30/11/2021 19:31

Wouldn’t it be illuminating, if carrying out a hazardous experiment like Brexit, to have a control group to show what happens if most effects of the experiment are eliminated from a portion of the sample?
Well thankfully we have. Northern Ireland.

Northern Ireland economy has outperformed rest of UK, ONS figures show
Region’s third-quarter GDP only 0.3% below pre-pandemic levels, according to experimental new data

www.ft.com/content/3b5059c4-4ef1-44d1-ae1f-43a875efb7ca?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6

Peregrina · 01/12/2021 09:28

I can't give full details because its behind the Times' pay wall but
"Priti Patel maps diplomatic tour of Europe to solve migrant crisis"

If you can get into the full article by other means, have a look at the comments which are priceless. The irony of not being able to partake in an EU meeting about the migrant crisis has not been lost. Basically the UK is reaping what it sowed. Patel personally also. Some question the loyalty of her civil servants - others point out that they owe no loyalty to her after the way she has treated them and they way she was happy to be disloyal to May.

What will Patel solve - at a guess nothing.

DuncinToffee · 01/12/2021 11:53

Macron on Boris Johnson, according to @canardenchaine

"It's very sad to see a great country, with which you could do many things, be led by a clown."

twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1466006048075096071?s=21

Links to quotes and article in tweet

jgw1 · 01/12/2021 11:54

@DuncinToffee

Macron on Boris Johnson, according to *@canardenchaine*

"It's very sad to see a great country, with which you could do many things, be led by a clown."

twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1466006048075096071?s=21

Links to quotes and article in tweet

Why is Marcon being rude about clowns?
DuncinToffee · 01/12/2021 13:24

Macron is not a clownist, some of his best friends are clowns

dontcallmelen · 01/12/2021 16:21

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DrBlackbird · 01/12/2021 21:39

It’s quite entertaining to listen to senior Tories who consider themselves as possible leadership contenders to BJ trying to be sort of diplomatic about him whilst simultaneously portraying themselves as the better candidate. And so it starts….

mathanxiety · 01/12/2021 22:16

Northern Ireland economy has outperformed rest of UK, ONS figures show
Region’s third-quarter GDP only 0.3% below pre-pandemic levels, according to experimental new data

But isn't the Protocol slowly killing Northern Ireland?

I guess it depends on what you count as an existential threat.

mathanxiety · 01/12/2021 22:30

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/northern-ireland-protocol-brexit-eu-frost-david-293967/

Brexit minister David Frost has admitted trade between Northern Ireland and Ireland has gone up since Brexit – but suggested it cannot keep benefitting from the EU’s single market, as this would hurt the UK.

Speaking on Policy Exchange’s Brexit Panel on the fringes of Tory party conference, Frost admitted supply chains are being “reordered quite quickly” and trade between Northern Ireland the the Republic has increased in both directions based on both British and Irish figures.

But he suggested things have to change: “People and businesses do respond very quickly to incentives and incidentally the other area where you see this is trade movements from Ireland across Great Britain into the rest of the EU, where the so-called ‘land bridge’ has sort of collapsed in the first nine months of this year.

“So that’s one reason why we can’t wait very long, things aren’t happening and it isn’t just theoretical.”

Frost’s comments came as Martin McTague, policy and advocacy chairman at the Federation of Small Business, warned the post-Brexit Irish trade success will “inevitably” weaken the links with Britain and “put pressure on the Union”.

“What would worry me is that you get a sort of two-speed UK where different things are going to happen in Northern Ireland to the rest of Great Britain,” McTague added.

Britain’s economy takes hit

Dr Gerard Lyons, senior fellow at Policy Exchange, said that regardless of one’s politics, “incentives do work” in economics.

He suggested Irish businesses are incentivised to collaborate north-south rather than with the rest of the UK, which is hitting Britain’s economy and will continue to do so if Westminster does not drag Northern Ireland away from the new system.

The panel discussion sparked a lot of reactions, with writer and broadcaster Gavin Esler noting the Brexit deal signed by Frost is now something Frost wants to change.

“Fascinating that Northern Ireland being effectively in the Single Market and Customs Union – as agreed by Lord Frost – is working so well it must be stopped,” Esler said.

It's really worrying that Frost's instinct here seems to be to throw a spanner into Northern Ireland's economy just to make sure Brexit doesn't look like a disaster for England, by comparison.

This is what happens when a revolution takes place and ideologues take the wheel.

jgw1 · 02/12/2021 07:34

He suggested Irish businesses are incentivised to collaborate north-south

Shouldn't we be trumpeting this as a good thing? Peace and cooperation on the island of Ireland and more trade happening local.
What is not to like?

Peregrina · 02/12/2021 08:41

Shouldn't we be trumpeting this as a good thing?

You's think, wouldn't you? But when did English politicians ever care about N Ireland (except when DUP votes were needed)?

Peregrina · 02/12/2021 09:37

It seems that the USA is unhappy about the threat to the NI Protocol. Note how the British spokesman is trying to downplay it all.

jgw1 · 02/12/2021 11:26

@Peregrina

Shouldn't we be trumpeting this as a good thing?

You's think, wouldn't you? But when did English politicians ever care about N Ireland (except when DUP votes were needed)?

You see I was under the impression that the Brexit vote was in the interests of the whole country and for the good of us all, so Brexiteers should be triumphantly pointing out this benefit. Silly me for not realising that most Brexiteers are in fact Little Englanders.
DGRossetti · 02/12/2021 13:57

@Peregrina

It seems that the USA is unhappy about the threat to the NI Protocol. Note how the British spokesman is trying to downplay it all.
The administration of former U.S. President Donald Trump imposed 25% and 10% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports on the European Union in 2018. The tariffs were withdrawn in October of this year, but they remain in place for Britain due to its exit from the EU.
Peregrina · 02/12/2021 14:50

It's not right, is it DGR? The Americans are just not playing ball with us - it's not cricket.

jgw1 · 02/12/2021 15:52

@Peregrina

It's not right, is it DGR? The Americans are just not playing ball with us - it's not cricket.
You are quite correct, it is not cricket or indeed any other school boy game. It is international diplomacy. Unfortunately we are lead by oversized school boy bullies.
DGRossetti · 02/12/2021 18:16

Note the BBCs tone

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59506556

Peregrina · 02/12/2021 18:25

Well, I got there before the BBC did - at 9:37 this morning to be precise.

Peregrina · 02/12/2021 18:46

Yes of course the steel tariffs are a separate issue, but if the Tories don't understand the game of political leverage they are being even more stupid than they look.

What with John Redwood wanting France to control our borders too - when it was all we would take back control.

DuncinToffee · 02/12/2021 18:55

Chris Morris BBC
French PM Castex letter to Boris Johnson: We cannot accept British police or soldiers patrolling our coastline. It's a question of sovereignty and I know your government's sensitivity towards respecting the sovereignty of others.

DGRossetti · 02/12/2021 18:56

Yes of course the steel tariffs are a separate issue,

One of the developing themes of the MI6 puff piece recently was how conveniently the modern world needs us to treat everything as "separate issues". Which seems to setting the basis for amorality - and hence hypocrisy - becoming the new normal.

I am not so sure myself. We tried that in the 1930s by appeasing Hitler in the hope that would deal with Russia.

HannibalHayeski · 02/12/2021 21:08

As James O'Brien would say;

Oh...

jgw1 · 02/12/2021 21:24

@HannibalHayeski

As James O'Brien would say;

Oh...

That's a foreign news source so bound to be biased.
AuldAlliance · 02/12/2021 21:53

Dontcha know James O'Brien is a public school posh boy fuck wit?

The Minister for Culture said so.

Based on the fact that he went to a public school that her daughter also attended, which gives her special insight into such matters.

So it must be true.

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