Brexit Megathread Part 3: COP26 and beyond. The Empire is no more.

[prettybird]

The old thread is nearly full so as COP26 is in my home town, I thought I'd start the next one.

I'm not expecting anything wonderful from COP26. The selfishness that is Brexit will extend to the rich nations - or rather corporations, countries and cronies - not wanting to do anything that might actually cost them money or hurt their profits and having made their money on the back of the resources of the poorer nations (in some cases quite literally ), they'll expect them to pay the price for the riches of the West.

The deliberate mistranslation of France's letter to the EU will distract from real issues - but that's ok for BJ as he can then blame the perfidious French.

Nothing changes.

As far I can see, all the "benefits" of Brexit are about reducing standards. I can't think of any one thing off hand where the EU stopped us doing something and now we can. Sunak made a song and dance about reducing the price of a pint of beer, but I think he could have done that anyway.

Freeports - we used to have them at one time when in the EU and other EU countries do. Whether they will be advantageous remains to be seen.

We haven't seen increased animal welfare rules which some Brexiters were saying that we would be able to do.

If "our bit" of the world has fewer people in it, it is more likely to be able so sustain itself and survive

@LouiseCollins28
This is only true if a magic impenetrable bubble over the UK can be up and operational in about five years time. This magic bubble will protect not only the air over the UK, it will also have to protect against rising sea levels (and it will have to extend to NI too, remember, increasing the likelihood of little leaky spots developing).

Is such a bubble in the pipeline? I think not.

Essentially, sadly, this does mean that the overall population structure of the UK is fucked for the next 50 years or so (including BTW the whole of the rest of my life) but eventually the UK population could reach a sustainable level.

That's a good thing, although I personally will see little to no benefit because while I'm alive retirees will be balooning and working age falling. Nonethless, a fall is a fall, and thats good.

Not so fast, @LouiseCollins28

Japan is currently grappling with the thorny issues arising from the situation where retirees are ballooning and working age falling.

These issues include but are not limited to - who pays the taxes, does the care work, drives the trains and lorries, keeps the farms and factories producing?

You could ditch Northern Ireland and achieve a 1.88 million drop in UK population almost overnight, if you're so keen on losing people.

Fewer UK exports to the EU, UK Brexit positive

Sorry, what?

Scotland's population is 5.45 million.

Just saying...

@LouiseCollins28

Re vaccines: No Prettybird I don't actually.

I mean that the AZ vaccine developed with UK taxpayers money has been offered at cost, worldwide. UK taxpayers are paying for a portion of every AZ jab that goes in every arm. I couldn't be more delighted that my tax £ are paying for this to happen, so why the silence from the BBC?

Well I certainly heard a lot about that on the Today programme late last year sndxearly this year but it's old news now.

My parents voted for Brexit because thru wanted to.see less immigration from Eastern Europe. We have been trying to organise a care package for them for 7 weeks without success. They are beginning to realise that isn't such a positive. Me having a 2 hour round trip 3 times z week to inadequately cover is definitely not an advantage environmentally.

My parents voted for Brexit because thru wanted to.see less immigration from Eastern Europe. We have been trying to organise a care package for them for 7 weeks without success. They are beginning to realise that isn't such a positive. Me having a 2 hour round trip 3 times z week to inadequately cover is definitely not an advantage environmentally.

My neighbour is struggling with this. Her mother complained about being cared for by foreigners, but now there’s no one. My neighbour has made three trips from the Midlands to the South last in the last two weeks. Luckily I’m around to look after the cat.

I'm starting to wonder if LouiseCollins28 has had an epiphany and is now doing a jgw1

Being satirical in their posts in a way round that makes it easy to point out the failings, illogicalities and inconsistencies of the Brexiter approach.

Who knows

I hope Vera is ok and just taking a break at the moment.

You could ditch Northern Ireland and achieve a 1.88 million drop in UK population almost overnight, if you're so keen on losing people.

Johnson and Frost would not care. I am not sure that they even know where N Ireland is. OK Johnson has been there, but I don't expect that he took the train and ferry, and gained a sense of its location.

He wants a bridge so doesn't have a fucking clue about the geography

Anyone who can put a positive spin on this

metro.co.uk/2021/11/08/malnutrition-doubles-to-over-10000-cases-under-tory-rule-15564794/

That's appalling DuncinToffee, are we going back to the Victorian era? It's not surprising, given the rise of food banks, so many are struggling for the basics since 2010. Austerity is having far reaching effects.

The thing is, Tories tend to feel that if you're poor, it's your own fault. You should just get a higher paid job, or better qualifications, or not have had children. There's never any understanding of the fact that there is no level playing field in terms of access to opportunities. They don't want to know. This is what they believe in, this is what they stand for and it won't change.

I think that the Tories are also very successful in spinning the " your poor because your thick, inadequate, lazy whatever" and this is pushed by the right wing rags, because it very conveniently lets the government off the hook for the structural problems that government should be solving, And it supports the low tax narrative.

And it works, just look at some of the threads on here.

I still get the absolute rage remembering listening to Edwina Currie on the Jeremy Vine Show telling a young widow talking about the withdrawal of the £20 UC uplift and the difficulties that that was going to cause her that (amongst other gems of advice):

• she should get a better paid job
• she should ask her employer for a rise and that she might get it for fear of her leaving
• she should ask her employer for a car
• she should check if she had any qualifications she wasn't using so that she get a better job
• she should ask her family for help as grandparents are just desperate to spend more time with their grandchildren
• that being a mother is difficult and "we've all been there"

@prettybird

I'm starting to wonder if LouiseCollins28 has had an epiphany and is now doing a jgw1

Being satirical in their posts in a way round that makes it easy to point out the failings, illogicalities and inconsistencies of the Brexiter approach.

I really hope they are, the alternative is quite scary.

[quote DuncinToffee]Anyone who can put a positive spin on this

metro.co.uk/2021/11/08/malnutrition-doubles-to-over-10000-cases-under-tory-rule-15564794/[/quote]
The UK is over-populated. Malnutrition will lead to lower life expectancy, so this is good news for the environment?

You see all the "answers" that prettybird quoted from Edwina Currie on all the time. "Just get a better job, it's easy" etc. Except, if it was that easy, everyone would do it? Why don't jobs that are valuable to society (care work, food production and distribution, the list is endless) pay enough to live on? Apologies if I make anyone itch, I saw a job advert for pest control, working on anything from rats to bedbugs and it wasn't much over minimum wage and certainly not enough to live on. Our country is broken when you can work and not earn enough to live reasonably.

Does jgw1 fancy a job in the Conservative's communications department?

jgw1 BBC headline could be boost for environment as malnutrition halts population growth whilst Johnson welcomes his 8th (?) child.

I am pleased to see that some Tories are finding out where their misplaced consciences went to, and dusting them off for future use.

twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1458128702122962949?s=21

@HappyWinter

Does jgw1 fancy a job in the Conservative's communications department?

This is what I don't understand about Brexit and the current government. It is perfectly possible to put together a coherent argument that does not look like a sieve. Is it that they are too lazy to bother, that they think we won't notice or both?