Brexit Megathread Part 3: COP26 and beyond. The Empire is no more.

[prettybird]

The old thread is nearly full so as COP26 is in my home town, I thought I'd start the next one.

I'm not expecting anything wonderful from COP26. The selfishness that is Brexit will extend to the rich nations - or rather corporations, countries and cronies - not wanting to do anything that might actually cost them money or hurt their profits and having made their money on the back of the resources of the poorer nations (in some cases quite literally ), they'll expect them to pay the price for the riches of the West.

The deliberate mistranslation of France's letter to the EU will distract from real issues - but that's ok for BJ as he can then blame the perfidious French.

Nothing changes.

And at the risk of stating the STARK STARING OBVIOUS nothing on that list has anything to do with the EU, or our membership of it.

Bangs head on floor.

@wewereliars

And at the risk of stating the STARK STARING OBVIOUS nothing on that list has anything to do with the EU, or our membership of it.

Bangs head on floor.

Of course it is to do with the EU. None of the things listed happened when we were in the EU because we had to follow their bureaucratic rules about everything.

Of course it is to do with the EU.
None of the things listed happened when we were in the EU because we had to follow their bureaucratic rules about everything.

The EU had rules about the bendiness of bananas for goodness sake.
Now we can grow our own bananas without their interference we will all be much better off.

She keeps on teeing them up

Air travel, for pleasure, should end immediately until it is be zero carb France is in the process of (if it hadn't already) banning short distance air travel if rail is an alternative so that membership of the EU does not preclude doing something like this

Waste of water e.g. domestic gardens should be a criminal offence Fair enough if that's what you want (although I live in Scotland and have a surfeit of water ) - but EU membership doesn't preclude this

Food production should be domesticated where possible ....which is why the UK Government is signing trade deals with Australia and New Zealand and lauding them as a benefit of Brexit If you were genuinely interested in food miles, you'd be encouraging trade with, you know, the countries on our doorstep

UK Farming needs to be re-geared around sustainability not production See above. Competition resulting from the deals with Oz and NZ are going to encourage production rather than sustainability.
Huge investment in UK Nuclear to end dependence on foreign energy Nothing was stopping the UK doing that before

WFH should become the norm where possible
Again, nowt to do with the EU

UK rail priority should be given over to freight transit. UK businesses using diesel lorries should be so massively fined that it becomes uneconomic for them continue
The EU has much better (and more reasonably priced) rail infrastructure, so I fail to see how this is the EU's fault

UK transition to commercial electric vehicles should be accelarated massively.
ULEZ for private cars should end in London, but stay for commercial vehicles.Similar schemes should be introduced UK wide for commercial traffic.
You're being inconsistent in your green credentials (or selfish because it would affect you personally ) Why should the ULEZ be lifted for private cars? London is privileged to have a fantastic public transport network. I have friends who live in London who say that the emission zones have vastly improved their quality of luge for minimal inconvenience. I've noticed the difference in business and pleasure trips to London.
But anyway, again, what's it got to do with the EU? These are local decisions (some by the London Mayor well in advance of the UK leaving the EU). In the same way, Paris and Athens (off the top of my head) put in local restrictions either on certain days or more generally. I'm sure there are similar restrictions in other EU cities.

Commercial/pleasure traffic by fossil fuel vehicles on the road needs to end, now! Not in 2040, Now!
Wonderful. Aberdeen has buses that are now powered by hydrogen as is TECA. Nowt to do with the EU. I'm sure the EU would love to impose such a restriction - but can't/won't as such a diktat would be met with howls of protest and not just from Brexiters

So real, not just labeled, British Bananas with no 'bendy EU bureaucratic rules' might be a positive from the increased temperatures due to climate change - another Brexit positive perhaps.

@pollyannaperspective

So real, not just labeled, British Bananas with no 'bendy EU bureaucratic rules' might be a positive from the increased temperatures due to climate change - another Brexit positive perhaps.

That's it, you are getting the hang of this. And with fewer people living here because everyone who can leave has left there will be more to go round.

@wewereliars

And at the risk of stating the STARK STARING OBVIOUS nothing on that list has anything to do with the EU, or our membership of it.

Bangs head on floor.

Was talking about population growth and green/sustainability issues, but you carry on.

Was talking about population growth and green/sustainability issues, but you carry on.

Indeed look at how the Environment Secretary George Useless has recently suggested a carbon import tax, couldn't do that if you were in the EU.

Funny you should mention that

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/eu-proposes-worlds-first-carbon-border-tax-some-imports-2021-07-14/

[quote prettybird]Funny you should mention that

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You where meant to wait until Louise came in and agreed with me, before you posted that.

Louise you raised, as a Brexit positive story that is not covered by the BBC:
"UK population growth slowing - OK its not an actual reduction in the number of people in the Country, but still UK Brexit positive"
various posters, me included, have asked in what way this is a Brexit positive?
You have then shifted away from this as a Brexit positive and cited the need to address "population growth and green/sustainability issues".
I don't disagree that these are significant worldwide concerns that need a global approach (COP 26 etc), but, bringing it back to your original point, what about the UK population rate falling is a Brexit positive that the BBC should be reporting? Incidentally, the BBC did report the fall in birth rate www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57600757.

LOL if you mean this...

www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/07/uk-may-need-carbon-border-tax-george-eustice-says

then it's nonsense. If you want really green rules (I don't, btw) then the rule needs to be "if you wanna sell it here bud, then you gotta make it here" Meat production tax, FFS!

@LouiseCollins28

LOL if you mean this...

www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/07/uk-may-need-carbon-border-tax-george-eustice-says

then it's nonsense. If you want really green rules (I don't, btw) then the rule needs to be "if you wanna sell it here bud, then you gotta make it here" Meat production tax, FFS!

Oh goodness, are the government still coming up with nonsense ideas, but we have left the EU we can make our own decisions now and than.

[quote pollyannaperspective]Louise you raised, as a Brexit positive story that is not covered by the BBC:
"UK population growth slowing - OK its not an actual reduction in the number of people in the Country, but still UK Brexit positive"
various posters, me included, have asked in what way this is a Brexit positive?
You have then shifted away from this as a Brexit positive and cited the need to address "population growth and green/sustainability issues".
I don't disagree that these are significant worldwide concerns that need a global approach (COP 26 etc), but, bringing it back to your original point, what about the UK population rate falling is a Brexit positive that the BBC should be reporting? Incidentally, the BBC did report the fall in birth rate www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57600757.[/quote]
How is it a Brexit positive? Because there are fewer people in the UK.

Every departure should be celebrated, every arrival dreaded.

Essentially, sadly, this does mean that the overall population structure of the UK is fucked for the next 50 years or so (including BTW the whole of the rest of my life) but eventually the UK population could reach a sustainable level.

That's a good thing, although I personally will see little to no benefit because while I'm alive retirees will be balooning and working age falling. Nonethless, a fall is a fall, and thats good.

Whatever you are on Louise Collins, the dose needs adjusting

Air travel, for pleasure, should end immediately until it is be zero carb

France is in the process of (if it hadn't already) banning short distance air travel if rail is an alternative so that membership of the EU does not preclude doing something like this

So what did Sunak do in his recent budget? Did I hear the words 'Investment in railways'? No I did not. What I heard was That he was halving domestic flight taxes.

Every departure should be celebrated, every arrival dreaded.

Wow

Is this one of those comedy threads where someone posts more and more unbelievable nonsense to see if others will take it seriously?

I see that your focus is on the UK being OKish in 50 or so years. I'm heartened by your faith in the UK's exceptionalism. When did, or perhaps will, the UK be enveloped by the, no doubt Brexit funded, climate change barrier/bubble that will prevent us being affected by the worldwide climate change effects?

@Peregrina

Air travel, for pleasure, should end immediately until it is be zero carb

France is in the process of (if it hadn't already) banning short distance air travel if rail is an alternative so that membership of the EU does not preclude doing something like this

So what did Sunak do in his recent budget? Did I hear the words 'Investment in railways'? No I did not. What I heard was That he was halving domestic flight taxes.

Presumably internally in France, which by land area is a considerably larger country than the UK. Sunak was wrong to do this. I like the guy tbh but this was a wrong move, no question for mr.

@pollyannaperspective

Anyone prefer that the busy Ms Truss cast her mind and 'woman of action' persona to addressing the detention of Nazanin Zaghari Ratcliffe and relieving her husband from is hunger strike Day 17?

Yes, I can't believe it has been five years and she is still imprisoned.

Presumably internally in France, which by land area is a considerably larger country than the UK. Sunak was wrong to do this. I like the guy tbh but this was a wrong move, no question for mr.

Just imagine if there was a community of nations, a union if you will where we could bring our influence to bare so that it was not just domestic short haul flights, but also international short haul flights that were banned.

Sunak was wrong to do this.

It's a pity you didn't realise what he'd done before you put up your post about Air Travel for pleasure should end immediately.

Hence my laughter at your post - all of this could have been done if the political will was there. Which it's not.

I am afraid you are beginning to sound like those Tory MPs defending the indefensible, and then finding that Johnson is throwing them under the bus. Last year they were breaking their necks to defend Cummings and his Barnard Castle jaunt. Last week it was Paterson. Who will it be next?

I have been opposed to every easing of restrictions on air travel. I'm opposed to the tax changes on UK domestic flights, I may even have said so on here at the time. You're right the political will is not there, the popular will is not there look at holiday bookings. Lunacy.

It's actually quite pathetic

I'm actually quite surprised. Normally more sense is exhibited. Not digging deeper and deeper into a hole.

Still, it's useful for pointing out the fallacies of the Brexiter arguments: ie that the vast majority of their complaints and their desire for a "better" future had sweet FA to do with the EU and everything to with the lack of will of the Conservative Governments that they chose to vote in