Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

[vera99]

Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

Clav
Please quote a post, from the years of Brexit threads, where I accused Brexit voters, in Boston or elsewhere, of being racist. Just one.

I was going to reply to Calv's c&p job - something about social housing, Thatcher sell off privatisation and the like but I thought Nah. Unions and stuff ...

She supports and champions this man that's all you need to know. That's how Eton toffs think and speak in private when not pretending to be champions of the working man.

Boris Johnson wrote that working-class men are “likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless” in The Spectator in 1995.

“And that brings me to the last and greatest group of male culprits. Most of these single mothers have had the common sense to detect that the modern British male is useless.

“If he is blue collar, he is likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment.

“If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better.”

AuldAlliance

Does this count? Certainly not empathetic;

AuldAlliance Sun 08-Mar-20 18:45:07
Everyone are just raving racists or Cable described them as Knuckle Dragging Racists, neither of which the vast majority of people are not.

Ambiguous double negative there...

AuldAlliance you must have got to her - digging out some old irrelevant and pointless post from 18 months ago.

Clav That's me quoting someone else. It's in bold on that thread because it's not my words.

Clav That's me quoting someone else. It's in bold on that thread because it's not my words.

I thought that was obvious - you posted;
Ambiguous double negative there...

vera99
Boris Johnson wrote that working-class men are “likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless” in The Spectator in 1995.

Satire - from the same article;

"I blame male Tory MPs"...
"They have banged on about one parent families, while getting their research assistants pregnant...

Clav, I was pointing out that the poster in question had written the opposite of what they presumably meant and undermined their own argument.
If pedantry is synonymous with a lack of empathy, I plead guilty. Pointing out someone's misuse of language is hardly synonymous with calling Brexit voters racists, though.

I think the fact that that is the worst that can be found is evidence in itself @AuldAlliance

Apparently

Phew I'm tired....

maximus II
@RutlandRon
The Remoaning elite, together with the MSM, are starting the shortage rumours to cause panic buying, thus causing fake shortages, just so they can say Brexit has failed. PLs RT @GBNEWS @Nigel_Farage @danwootton

AuldAlliance
Pointing out someone's misuse of language is hardly synonymous with calling Brexit voters racists, though

I think it does in the context of the thread. The post before yours;

I think the % of people who are racist in this country is far higher than you might think.

And still no empathy for the people in Boston. Apparently it's perfectly acceptable for 10 low paid workers from Eastern Europe to move into the 3 bed semi next door. Not to mention the extra demand on local services. I don't know what the Lib Dem voters in Chesham and Amersham were complaining about.

Anyway, I have to go out now.

Clav you're a fact-checker for Johnson's lies - life's too short. In the spirit of 'moving on' I'll help you out.

boris-johnson-lies.com/

That old canard houses stuffed with foreigners coming over here and doing the shitty jobs Brits don't want to do.

I went back to the thread which Clavinova was posting about when trying to accuse Auld Alliance of being racist - it turns out that someone was accusing the Labour party of taking that stance with people they disagreed with.

So a 'Must try harder' for Clavinova there, who has conveniently gone out.

Seeing some of the comments about his or her posts and the fact that he or she is apparently always just going out when challenged, I'm increasingly coming to the suspicious view that he or she is an agent provocateur

He or she only ever provides opportunities for the rest of us to prove how shit Brexit is . The fact that there are minor, temporary examples of difficulties elsewhere only serves to emphasise even more how shit the UK's structural difficulties and inept and uncaring government are

There were 3 things that I learned at school by 1982 that were unlikely to happen in my lifetime. A solution to the Irish conflict. The fall of communism (or the Berlin wall synonymous with it) and an end to apartheid.

15 years later all 3 had come to pass.

Knowing things like that can happen keep me waking up every day.

I agree DGR - all things that we never thought we would see. I remember seeing a New Statesman cover with a picture saying DDR 40 and I thought that the map was drawn for all time. A year later - phut, on the way out.

So maybe we will rejoin the EU or at least the SM and CU. It doesn't look like it now though but ten years ago the idea of leaving the EU seemed absurd.

vera99 wrt attitudes of Tory politicians, this old video clip of Gove is so shocking I can barely believe it.

mobile.twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1442049460075253762

Preparing for what might happen is costly. Preparing for a worst case scenario is very very costly. The job of Government is largely to facilitate the working of society and the economy, which means enabling business and commerce to function optimally, which is what this Government has singularly failed to do and apparently has little interest in doing, other than when doing so protects its own interests.

That's true DGR

My parents, as South Africans who'd left SA because of apartheid (my dad's family had arrived there as one of the founding fathers in 1777), didn't think that the whites would give up power without significant bloodshed. And yet it happened with a peaceful and democratic transfer of power. Not saying the politics there are perfect - but it's amazing what they have achieved. And the Truth and Reconciliation Committee did some wonderful work.

Ditto with German Reunification.

And the most surprising of all, the GFA (don't forget Mo Mowlem's role in that) And the UK fucking government has quite unconcernedly thrown them under a bus

Add to positive but unlikely events that came to pass: middle England voting Labour in 1997 - that seemed highly unlikely after 1992. So maybe the Red Wall will come to see that they were turkeys voting for Christmas (to use a currently relevant metaphor ).

Maybe Scotland will show the way

Thanks, Hester - they like to shake it off as student high jinks but they were considerably older than 7 - that is how they think and feel Angela Rayner was right he is tory scum.

Clav likes to frame Johnson's innumerable outbursts as satirism. It's not, like Cameron rumoured to be fucking a pig heads' and Johnson burning a 50-pound note in front of a homeless person that's who they are, how they are made and constructed.

“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.”

― Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle

" Cruel dirty toothless face of the Northerner." That could come straight from the mouth of Goebbels.

Entitled, callous, arsehole.

I have always thought the Tories are the scum of the earth, and the only glimmer of hope I have is that the shitshow they are presiding over will see an end to them forever.

And anyone who thinks Johnson is a satirist is an idiot. He is a cruel vindictive self serving bully who would, and has,. throw anyone under a bus if it suits him.

Just see his face when he thinks the cameras are not recording.

Love this tweet re 'Sausage Wars'...
twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1446755544254009346