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Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

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vera99 · 07/10/2021 21:36

Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

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vera99 · 09/10/2021 19:08

Jonathon Pie as ever nails the Tory conference and our liar-in-chief.

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DGRossetti · 09/10/2021 19:18

The job of Government is largely to facilitate the working of society and the economy,

The only job of government is the security and safety of it's citizens. Like "Do unto others ..." it's a complete philosophy. Everything - trade, justice, the symbols on drinking vessels - everything else flows from that one job.

(You had just one job ...)

Governments that forget that - and the countries that put up with them - tend not to last.

DGRossetti · 09/10/2021 19:21

Ditto with German Reunification.

30 years old too !!!!

And it's a simple fact of history that the UK could not have undertaken such a mammoth project. Nor now. Not then. Maybe, not ever.

In fact the UK isn't really highly regarded as peacemaker anywhere. Funny that.

wewereliars · 09/10/2021 19:22

Thanks for the link Vera, not come across Jonathon Pie before.

Comedians and footballers are the only opposition we seem to have!

vera99 · 09/10/2021 19:36

Oh Jonathon Pie is the best - his spoof reporter shtick allowing for epic passion-fuelled spittle-flecked rants.

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TheElementsSong · 09/10/2021 19:57

Something must have got Brexitannia's Winnerz unsettled, because we're being treated to squirrels galore on multiple fronts. Maybe it's a public service to give the country a replacement meat instead of all those culled pigs?

Just a shame the hard work on MN isn't being devoted instead to picking vegetables, staffing abattoirs and driving HGVs... I would have expected 17.4 million eager volunteers.

vera99 · 09/10/2021 20:03

Tonight Matthew I'm mostly hating Liz Truss....

Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot
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HappyWinter · 09/10/2021 20:06

It's possible to both enjoy life and think the current situation is a shitshow. I'd feel better if we had some grown up politicians in charge. DH used to moan about Theresa May. I used to say that it could get much worse. It has. What would you give for her to be in charge again? At least she seemed to care and she was more competent.

prettybird · 09/10/2021 20:15

As I've mentioned, I'm coming to the view that they are agents provocateurs Grin

Their contributions, from those that I bother reading and for the rest, what I can gather from the responses, are so pathetically weak in their ability either to point out any benefits or to defend the ineptitude of the government just serve to shine a spot light on the damage that Brexit has done, is doing and will continue to do, to the country and how crap the Government is.

And no, examples of minor and/or temporary problems elsewhere don't cut the mustard Hmm. They just highlight the structural and ongoing problems that the UK face.

Very clever Grin

vera99 · 09/10/2021 20:52

@prettybird I keep on saying to myself I won't get a rise and somehow I get drawn in ... anyway it's an open forum they are free to c&p away if that makes them happy.

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jgw1 · 09/10/2021 20:57

[quote vera99]@prettybird I keep on saying to myself I won't get a rise and somehow I get drawn in ... anyway it's an open forum they are free to c&p away if that makes them happy.[/quote]
But Jeremy Corbyn.

DuncinToffee · 09/10/2021 20:59

Hmmm more porkies?

Full Fact @FullFact
The Prime Minister told a BBC journalist that 127 HGV drivers had applied for short-term visas.
He appeared to contradict an earlier figure from @thetimes (27).
But the government—bizarrely—has refused to explain where the PM's figure came from.

fullfact.org/news/boris-johnson-HGV-driver-petrol-crisis/

jgw1 · 09/10/2021 21:02

[quote DuncinToffee]Hmmm more porkies?

Full Fact @FullFact
The Prime Minister told a BBC journalist that 127 HGV drivers had applied for short-term visas.
He appeared to contradict an earlier figure from @thetimes (27).
But the government—bizarrely—has refused to explain where the PM's figure came from.

fullfact.org/news/boris-johnson-HGV-driver-petrol-crisis/[/quote]
Is he perhaps thinking of the number of children he has fathered?

prettybird · 09/10/2021 21:02

@vera99 - I have a strict rule not to read, let alone respond, to certain posters. However tempted I might be.

I do however read @LouiseCollins28's post. She doesn't actually put some independent thought into her contributions - even if I almost always disagree with her. Thanks

vera99 · 09/10/2021 21:07

Just remember that British farmers are preparing to cull and throw away up to 100,000 pigs when kids are going hungry. If you aren't absolutely fucking angry about this insanity then you're either mad or bad.

That's Brexit in one fact.

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vera99 · 09/10/2021 21:13

Yes Louise posts on other threads as well (I have checked) and I'm sure she might be nice in person if a tad misguided on this subject. Clav though is just a Tory cheerleader maybe even a paid shill for Conservative Central Orifice.

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DuncinToffee · 09/10/2021 21:16

That is a terrifying thought jgw1

jgw1 · 09/10/2021 21:16

@vera99

Yes Louise posts on other threads as well (I have checked) and I'm sure she might be nice in person if a tad misguided on this subject. Clav though is just a Tory cheerleader maybe even a paid shill for Conservative Central Orifice.
No, apparently dear Clav works for free at Central office.
vera99 · 09/10/2021 21:29

Of all the things you could volunteer for .....

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TatianaBis · 09/10/2021 22:46

DH on his year off got a pilot’s licence and an HGV licence (the latter he never used). So technically he could volunteer for lorry drivers if the NHS wasn’t also short of 50,000 doctors facing one of the worst winters.

TatianaBis · 09/10/2021 22:48

I digress on the volunteer theme…

vera99 · 09/10/2021 23:28

skip fires burning over the whole landscape.

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/09/nursing-crisis-sweeps-wards-as-nhs-battles-to-find-recruits

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DrBlackbird · 10/10/2021 00:43

Well if Kylie is leaving, that says it all IMO

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/09/kylie-minogue-is-going-home-but-we-will-never-get-her-out-of-our-heads

mathanxiety · 10/10/2021 06:18

So 10 single workers may each pay £60 a week to share what was a three-bedroom house, netting the landlords £600 a week. That means a gross rental income from the house of perhaps £30,000 a year.
If the Tories are not braying 'Huzzah!' about that, I want to know why. Market forces at work and all that.
Plus, it's very likely that the people who own the houses netting £30k pa are voting Tory.

That is much more than local families can afford for those houses - and the housing supply has simply not kept up with demand...
Gee I wonder why that is. Why is it that provision of housing has not kept up with demand?
Could it be that it's more profitable to build higher end properties in other parts of the country, where jobs are plentiful and people earn enough to make high house prices acceptable?
Could it be that the lethal combination of market forces and abandonment of the idea of society has resulted in the poor being screwed?

Local rents in Boston are actually much higher than in Nottingham despite wages being lower. This is a major problem within the town and has become a major cause of frustration. People living next door to these multiple-occupied homes are also not happy...
Where are the housing officers who should be policing overcrowded properties, ensuring fire safety, adequate running water and sewer capacity, room occupancy, etc?

It's in nobody's interests to have inadequate or even dangerous housing conditions. If local authorities can't be responsive to the needs of the communities they serve, why is that?

The locals are not happy about the effect of market forces. But it appears they are powerless to change anything in a way that is meaningful and lasting.

Sure, they can get rid of the immigrants next door by voting for Brexit. But the LA remains unresponsive, and the property owners' potential to fill up properties with people desperate for a bed remains unchallenged and unchanged. The system set up to exploit the poor migrants, maximise the profits of the owner class, and squeeze the poor remains intact.

The financial starvation of local authorities by central government has consequences. Nobody is providing adequate services, and nobody is doing anything to alleviate the housing crunch.

...sudden rise in demand for children's services - from keeping maternity wards open through to funding more school places
...creating jobs for nurses, midwives, teachers, janitors, food service personnel, administrative staff, printers of textbooks, makers of school uniforms, Clarks shoes, and schoolbags?
Do you want market forces or don't you?

Why is funding a problem?
Why is the need for all those services a surprise? Was nobody keeping track of who was in the country?

mathanxiety · 10/10/2021 07:42

And still no empathy for the people in Boston. Apparently it's perfectly acceptable for 10 low paid workers from Eastern Europe to move into the 3 bed semi next door. Not to mention the extra demand on local services. I don't know what the Lib Dem voters in Chesham and Amersham were complaining about.

If anyone* anywhere is holding their breath waiting for the Tories to make their lives easier, they're making a big mistake.

*Rees-Moggs of this world excepted.