Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

[vera99]

Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

Tesco hails supply chain 'resilience' as half-year profits double

Tesco said it had grown sales during the first six months of its financial year and weathered headwinds including "high" levels of enforced COVID-19 isolation among staff.

The company declared its supply chain had demonstrated "resilience" despite a hit from lorry driver shortages and said product availability was currently good across its ranges.

Tesco said it was shoring up its own supply chain through the hiring of 30,000 workers for the looming Christmas season - with 15,000 already recruited despite the much-publicised dearth of available labour.

news.sky.com/story/tesco-hails-supply-chain-resilience-as-half-year-profits-double-12427049

There are bin strikes in Brighton too
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-58848073

Yes thank you Louisecollins

And your way of thinking, ie blind teror of non existent outside threats, seems to have wrecked our country, so thanks for that.

Any answers to the cheese question ?

There are bin strikes in Brighton too

And plenty of people enjoying the 'sunlit uplands' -

8 October 2021

From 007 to Brighton Pier … relaxed Covid restrictions fuel UK leisure boom.

From seaside attractions to bowling alleys, mini-golf to cinemas, firms report bustling trade and record revenue...

while Brighton Pier has recorded the best week in its history.

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/08/from-007-to-brighton-pier-relaxed-covid-restrictions-fuel-uk-leisure-boom

Problems with bin collections in Glasgow too https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/demand-100-more-glasgow-refuse-21559571

I remember visiting Liverpool in the middle of a bin strike there: it wasn't pleasant

Just as to what it has to do with Brexit It's not even a central government issue: it's down to local government

(Actually, personally I have no issue with 3 weekly green ie general bin collection: our downstairs' neighbours and we often fill only one green bin between us we treat our wheels bins as if they were communal - but I can understand that people in tenements might have problems)

@wewereliars

So in the event of a no deal brexit Louise Collins, what should a UK supplier of cheese to say Antwerp have done, and when ?

wewereliars sorry I missed the cheese question. What should this person have done.

a) Immediately after the vote begin thinking about how "cheese selling" into the EU might change in a short time
b) Post Art-50 realise you've 2 years to adapt.
c) Decide whether they want to continue selling cheese to Antwerp?
d) Maybe getting a replacement customer in, Andover, or Aberdeen, or Aberdare, or Austin, or Auckland, or..... would be a good plan.

e) If they really want to keep selling the cheese to Antwerp and their customers there are more important than the ones in the places in d) and they view the challenges of selling to Antwerp as insurmoutable, then move your business to somewhere where you can sell into Antwerp more easily.

f) OK and to finish with, sorry if this is a bit cheesy but....if what this person is worried about is extra paper work and delay, then I suggest..

Buy a label maker and go round all the cheeses which say "Mature" on them and stick on a new label saying "Extra Mature" then charge more for the cheese

People in Marseille are out and about enjoying themselves, too. Despite the bin strike, which they're used to. And which has come to an end, albeit perhaps temporarily.
They've buried Tapie, so the sobbing is over.

Just in case anyone thought that, due to the Clavlogic law of contraries, the fact that people in Brighton are eating ice creams on the prom necessarily means that everyone in Marseille is weeping in silence on the Vieux Port.

madeinmarseille.net/99205-reprise-economique-cci-metropole/
www.bfmtv.com/marseille/marseille-le-dispositif-des-terrasses-ephemeres-prolonge-jusqu-au-31-octobre_AN-202109300196.html
www.laprovence.com/actu/en-direct/6519036/la-fete-de-la-science-debarque-a-marseille.html

Some c&p fun.

Oh dear Louise that level of despondency at the democratic process has chilling echoes from the past. We are a long way from there but I harbour a guess that ice has entered your soul that can only be assuaged by some snake oil peddling demagoguery the like of which Johnson is only the black-comedy opening act.

Not even a good word for Thatcher - remarkable but I applaud your honesty but I feel a further lifetime of disappointment awaits you sadly.

Immediately after which vote? Austin or Auckland, on a perishable product with a limited shelf life. What could possibly go wrong?

What are the challenges of selling to Antwerp, in this unknown and unknowable new hellscape?

I amsure that all the business wrecked by this lunacy will find your flippant comments absolutely hillarious.

What forms should have been filled in and when, and what declarations to HMRC? And when? All without the benefit of hind sight of course .

And the irrational fear of non existent foreign threats is also known as xenophobia,in case you were wondering

AuldAlliance

I am not posting on a French forum telling people they must be having a miserable life. You seem to be telling me that I must be miserable here in the UK and regretting my vote - I'm not!

Having different iterations of "Deal" which kept being rejected by a Parliament unwilling to say what it would support on even an indicative basis for sure made things more difficult.

Different iterations, at least one of which was rejected by Johnson, Rees-Mogg and the ERG group. May had at least grasped (belatedly) the NI situation and sought a work round. Johnson scuppered that, while lying that there would be no border in the Irish Sea.

As for Calvinova's I would not have picked Theresa May for Conservative Party Leader/PM - we needed a Leave backing PM from the start.

If Johnson had put his name forward at the time the job would have been his for the taking. He didn't, he buggered off to play cricket - hence Gove stepping up, but he wasn't popular with the Party. We were then treated to a race between a Brexiter - Leasdom - remember her? - who managed to well and truly put her foot in it by going on about how May couldn't understand having had no children. This must have particularly hurtful for May who is known to have wanted them and not been able to have them. So Leasdom copped out. Apart from Gove, where were those other fine upstanding Brexiters - Rees-Mogg - nowhere to be seen.

So don't come the excuse Clavinova that they needed a Brexiter to be PM - the Brexit gang for all their noise completely failed to put up a decent candidate.

The British queue at Dusseldorf to pass border control. If anything Brexit has shown me like never before the benefits of the EU and the fact they have shown unity, solidarity and common purpose in a continent that has been riven by two world wars is heartwarming. No one's pretending that there aren't problems but there is a forum and a highly developed mechanism in which to debate, discuss and find common solutions and have frictionless trade with a minimum of paperwork and red tape.

And then there's Johnson and this shower of third rate lying spivs....

@vera99

Oh dear Louise that level of despondency at the democratic process has chilling echoes from the past. We are a long way from there but I harbour a guess that ice has entered your soul that can only be assuaged by some snake oil peddling demagoguery the like of which Johnson is only the black-comedy opening act.

Not even a good word for Thatcher - remarkable but I applaud your honesty but I feel a further lifetime of disappointment awaits you sadly.

You might be surprised to learn that I'm really not a fan of Johnson. Better than the alternative at the last GE but I'm not a fan. Any "fear" I have of foreign threats is not irrational I can tell you and here's the list that proves it

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain#2000s

Baltic Exchange 1992, Docklands 1996, London 2005, Woolwich 2013, Manchester 2017 and so many others. More than 50 in the time I've been alive.

Mrs Thatcher's government very nearly failed to protect her in Brighton you might remember.

I suspect you're right, having a government capable of protecting us from terrorists and criminals is too much to ask.

@Clavinova you are disingenuous. Tesco is known to be doing fine because it has its own HGV drivers. They are the exception.
There is a shortage of HGV drivers in the UK. This will cause shortages. Some individual stores will be fine either because of previous arrangements with HGV drivers or because they will pay more than anyone else. But there are still the same number of drivers to go round.
And people arent daft. Whatever you and others like you say, they go into the shop and if they live somewhere with shortages they can see that for themselves.
Where I live people are talking on social media about the lack of vaccines for kittens. I haven't seen in any newspapers. It doesn't stop people noticing and talking about shortages themselves.

A summary of Brexit so far:

It's been so bad, a Conservative government, whose entire raison d'être is to "get Brexshit done", is holding off fully implementing it because it doesn't yet know how to do that without instigating even deeper catastrophe...

I missed the 1991 Victoria Station bombing by 5 minutes and heard and felt the explosion. But as you bring up Irish terrorism I regard the greatest victory of my life as the Good Friday Agreement and peace that it brought to that troubled isle something I had believed to be impossible.

The fact that Brexit has called that into doubt is reason enough alone to revile it. Maybe the social control and firm hand of the autocracy of a country like China would be more to your tastes Problem is it's full of foreigners and 'slitty eyed' ones according to our late great Duke.

I bring you Two-faced Truss the cut and paster of International Trade.

I regard the greatest victory of my life as the Good Friday Agreement and peace that it brought to that troubled isle something I had believed to be impossible.

I agree, an absolutely massive achievement, and jeopardised because of some mardy moneyed Tories. Mind you, Blair was an idiot following Bush into the Iraq war - otherwise the huge achievement of the GFA would be crowning his reputation. I don't forget either that Major did a lot of the spadework.

And here's what a musician now has to go through just for a single gig in Spain, whereas before she could just have hopped on a plane.

Thanks for all that Brexshittiers.

Clav I'm not suggesting you should be miserable.
I'd rather no one was. Sadly, Brexit is causing problems and, in some cases, misery.

For one of my siblings, whose personal and professional life has been badly affected.
For many businesses in the UK and the staff they employ.
For scientists and researchers.

For people whose drinking water is being affected by a lack of chemicals.
For UK students facing hurdles getting visas to go to neighbouring countries.
For students in the EU who'd hoped to go on exchanges to the UK as part of their studies and who are no longer welcome.
For the country's reputation and soft power.

I don't want you to be miserable. It would be nice if, between thinking all is well because your Waitrose/local shops remain well stocked and c&ping irrelevant links, you were slightly more empathetic to those whom your Brexit vote has adversely affected.

As for your hint that I'm not entitled to post here, I'd reply that you're more than welcome to post on French forums about strikes, etc.
And that if your close family and your work colleagues and students were being badly affected by a decision taken by a minority of French voters who then refused to acknowledge the effects of their choice, you might well feel the urge to do so.

AuldAlliance you don't need Clav's permission to post anything. You post real things happening to real people that affect you. Clav just grandstands with her Hyacinth Bucket superiority and google skills. Love your posts and Peregina and Hannibal btw - this place and Twitter give me hope.

The British queue at Dusseldorf to pass border control.

The queue looks quite short and a small price to pay for more control over our own borders;

From today (Friday 1 October 2021), most EU, EEA and Swiss citizens will need a valid passport to enter the UK as the government stops accepting national identity (ID) cards as a travel document.

These ID cards are some of the most abused documents seen by Border Force officers and, last year, almost half of all false documents detected at the border were EU, EEA or Swiss ID cards.

They can be easily abused by people attempting to come into the country illegally and by stopping accepting these forms of ID, the government can prevent organised criminal gangs and illegal migrants using them to enter the UK unlawfully.

www.gov.uk/government/news/insecure-id-cards-phased-out-as-travel-document-to-strengthen-uk-borders

They can be easily abused by people attempting to come into the country illegally and by stopping accepting these forms of ID, the government can prevent organised criminal gangs and illegal migrants using them to enter the UK unlawfully.

This sort of claptrap from the Government, dutifully c and p'd by Clavinova, would make me laugh, if it wasn't so stupid.

So people smugglers and criminals generally won't be able to fake a UK passport? Go on, pull the other one.

What it will do will deter bona fide holiday makers - if they need to stump up for a passport when instead an ID card would do, why not go elsewhere, without the hassle?

AuldAlliance
c&ping irrelevant links, you were slightly more empathetic to those whom your Brexit vote has adversely affected.

Emphathetic? Apparently voters in Boston are just horrible racists who were wrong to complain;

BBC May 2016
How immigration changed Boston, Lincolnshire

Nationally, economists find immigration leads to an increase in average wages. The effects, though, are not even.

The average hourly wage nationally is £13.33. Across the East Midlands, it is £12.26. In Boston, it is £9.13. On a weekly basis, full-time earnings are more than £100 a week less than the national average.

There is also a problem with local housing. Because some workers come temporarily, they do not mind housing themselves poorly for a spell.

So 10 single workers may each pay £60 a week to share what was a three-bedroom house, netting the landlords £600 a week. That means a gross rental income from the house of perhaps £30,000 a year.

That is much more than local families can afford for those houses - and the housing supply has simply not kept up with demand.

Local rents in Boston are actually much higher than in Nottingham despite wages being lower. This is a major problem within the town and has become a major cause of frustration. People living next door to these multiple-occupied homes are also not happy...

sudden rise in demand for children's services - from keeping maternity wards open through to funding more school places

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36258541

It also says
Boston is booming, despite having absorbed a huge rise in the number of potential workers in a relatively short time

For example, the Boston story underlines the academic finding that there is no evidence that EU immigration is linked to higher unemployment.