Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

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Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

@DuncinToffee

Hmm what about Gove's 'Green Brexit'?

Yes indeed that is going very well. For example just yesterday as a result of being free from the EU the Chancellor was able to decrease the tax on domestic flights.

@DuncinToffee

It is tricky isn't it. I had to double check that the aibu thread about blaming Blair for the lack of skilled workforce wasn't started by jgw1

Is John Smith the only recent Labour leader who is not currently being blamed for the mess we are in?

Good man, that John Smith. Sad loss.

Nice to see Ed Miliband when he's fired up though.

Apologies for the rag, but this made me titter: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10140019/Brexit-impact-economy-worse-coronavirus-pandemic.html

www.bestforbritain.org/replacing_lost_eu_trade_could_almost_double_uk_shipping_emissions

Duncin yes that can be filed under no-shit-Sherlock along with quite a few other things.

Was good to see Ed M taking the PM to task over this yesterday. Promise one thing then actually do the opposite. But seeing Johnson getting angry with him like that is a pretty ugly thing. Behind the charm he’s a nasty piece of work isn’t he.

Yes. Yes he is.

Truss: "We don’t know what they’ll do, they said they wouldn’t introduce these measures until Tuesday probably at the earliest so we will see what they do. But, if they do bring these into place, well, two can play at that game and we reserve the ability to respond in a proportionate way."

I thought that we had not yet introduced import checks because we have neither the systems, space or manpower? So how on earth does she expect to be able to 'respond'? - cue gallic shrugs :)

Why the claims that we can knock 3p off beer 'because of brexit' I don't recall any EU interference with budget increases in alcohol tax?

I saw a post from a British brewer about the 3p off scam. He said it's bollocks. He says the tax cut only applies to beer in barrels 40l or over. So it only applies to the really big, often foreign brewers like Guiness and Carlsberg. Standard barrel size for an independent British brewer is 20l so no change for them.

@FrankieStein403

Why the claims that we can knock 3p off beer 'because of brexit' I don't recall any EU interference with budget increases in alcohol tax?

A possible explanation Frankie they don't intervene when taxes on alcohol go up, but can intervene when such taxes are reduced.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59081522

ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation-1/excise-duties/excise-duty-alcohol_en

That reference is to a harmonised EU minimum duty for a hectolitre of 0.748euro per degree plato - UK duty was £19.08 per %

10 degrees plato ~ 4% (average UK beer)
So EU min duty would be 10 * 0.748 / 176 = 0.0425euro ~3.6p/pint
UK duty 4 * 19.08 /176 = 43.4p/pint
and of course there's vat on top of that - the duties for wines, spirits etc are equally way above the EU minima.

Wrt the BBC NI article - Because the EU sets a minimum rate then yes it complicates trying to set rates proportional to alcohol content - however that only applies if our rates were anywhere near the minimum - in fact they are far above that so its irrelevant.

There was plenty of scope to reduce prices without getting close to EU levels - why aren't they being called out on yet another lie?

news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk-readying-for-major-clash-with-eu-as-it-convenes-committee-to-look-at-fallout-from-triggering-article-16-and-suspending-northern-ireland-cooperation-12453512

Sorry if this has been posted already. I am behind with the threads. Not had the headspace for it all recently

That might explain this twitter thread by Tom Connelly

BREAKING: The European Commission has told member states that the role of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) in the Northern Ireland Protocol is not up for discussion.

twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1454098540301541377?t=wOlbRp8plHogHUfGeykTiw&s=19

I found these two tweets in Tony Connelly’s thread to be deeply deeply disturbing…

Downing Street today told reporters that prime minister Boris Johnson had raised the ECJ issue in relation to the Protocol in a phone call with the Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki. Poland is embroiled in a separate dispute with the European Commission over the role of the ECJ and where the primacy of EU law lies

So Johnson allies himself with a govt that is hostile to women’s rights, lgbt rights, a free press, and the judiciary in its own country to create as much disruption to the EU stability as he can.

That man grows more like Putin every day and would be happy at the collapse of a stable Europe to satisfy his pique and assuage his vanity. He has led this country into a dual crisis and seems intent on taking down everyone with him.

If he’s a king, then he’s a King George IV and he really needs to F off to a mates island and be done with his destruction and mayhem.

He's grasping at straws.

Biden isn't flirting with Poland the way Trump was, and I suspect deep down Poland knows what side its bread is buttered on and that the alternative is no mans land.

*the alternative to the EU is no mans land.

This is the UK's future: one petty dispute after another.

This is what happens when a once great country thinks it's above international law and trashes its relationships with its neighbours.

France this week. Ireland very soon. Who'll be next?

France this week. Ireland very soon. Who'll be next?

It'll be Scotland next

Not yet But we'll get to the top of the list 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

WM has already fired an opening salvo in the Budget by giving large amounts direct to organisations that are (or should be) covered by the devolution settlement. Eg £3 million direct to the Burrell Collection. Looks good on the surface but undermines the Scottish Government.

Any catch Nick Robinson grilling useless Eustice on Today Friday AM ?

It was quite marked to the "don't scare the horses" approach of yesteryear. He called out Eustice as a liar and emphatically reminded Eustice that Phillip Hammond had predicted exactly this sort of shit storm if the UK left the EU. A succession of individual trading gripes where insignificant economic activities such as fishing end up holding the other 99% of UK-EU trade to ransom.

Here is short clip from that interview DGR

twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1453988548709847040?t=8JvipoOkluE4s-H4OHXxWw&s=19

Nick Robinson: The OBR said the long-term economic consequences of brexit would be double that of the pandemic...

George Eustice: I'm happy to live with the consequences of leaving the EU... this old figure about the impacts.. we've heard that before

NR: It's not an old figure

Almost every time over the last few years I’ve heard the (mostly female) interviewers on Farming Today politely not accepting any shit from Useless and his ilk, I’ve sent them a congratulatory email and said they could teach the flagship news programmes something.
Maybe they’re giving them tips.

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I heard it, and was really pleased at the refreshing change.
Agree re Farming Today. They take no shit. It's one of my favourite programmes on the Home Service.