Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

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Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

@Pan2

Been away for a bit.

Are we doing satire on this thread now?

No the Chancellor really did announce with great fanfare today that he was cutting the tonnage tax on UK registered vessels today and he is able to take this life changing step for many of us as a result of leaving the EU.

The other great benefit of leaving the EU is that in 2023 a pint of draught beer in a pub will cost 3p less than it would otherwise as a result of tax changes. This great new freedom will dramatically reverse the decline in pubs fortunes across the land.

This enlightened decision from the Chancellor to use our new freedoms in this way will make a massive difference to us all and reverse the decline that was the fault of the EU and Jeremy Corbyn.

Not quite sure what universe you live in ...

@DGRossetti

This enlightened decision from the Chancellor to use our new freedoms in this way will make a massive difference to us all and reverse the decline that was the fault of the EU and Jeremy Corbyn.

Not quite sure what universe you live in ...

I guess you didn't listen to the budget?

The shipping registration is all smoke and mirrors designed to persuade the easily impressed that there is lots and lots of trade going on.

It also suggests that in the shiny new post Brexit world, the tail will wag the dog - the UK government will do the bidding of the big multinationals seeking to use whatever the UK has to offer to make doing business easier and cheaper for them, and not necessarily to the advantage of the UK or its citizens and workers. As an example of how the country could end up being screwed, the training of cadets may now be done at the expense of the taxpayer via the school system, not provided and paid for by the shipping companies.

The reason flags of convenience are popular are - cost reduction, less oversight of working conditions, less oversight of illegal cargo, non-compliance with international shipping Conventions.

The UK fancies itself as competition for Singapore, but Singapore has a huge headstart in the maritime area from a tonnage pov and also from the pov of operational administration/oversight.

The UK will be playing catch up and from a position of economic turmoil where the temptation to sacrifice long term reputation for short term gain will be strong. The down side of flags of convenience is criminality - concealed ownership, and the bedfellows the UK is now inviting in.

The other great benefit of leaving the EU is that in 2023 a pint of draught beer in a pub will cost 3p less than it would otherwise as a result of tax changes. This great new freedom will dramatically reverse the decline in pubs fortunes across the land.

Is there no niggling little question in your mind about the effect of inflation, or the effect of ingredient shortages on the price of beer?

now we are free of the yolk of the EU.

Sunny side up in the sunlit uplands

@mathanxiety

The other great benefit of leaving the EU is that in 2023 a pint of draught beer in a pub will cost 3p less than it would otherwise as a result of tax changes. This great new freedom will dramatically reverse the decline in pubs fortunes across the land.

Is there no niggling little question in your mind about the effect of inflation, or the effect of ingredient shortages on the price of beer?

There is inflation in the EU too you know. In Hungary in April it was 5.2%.

There is inflation in the EU too you know.
In Hungary in April it was 5.2%.

Yes, but they're not being told their beer is going to cost 3p less in 2023 in Hungary, are they?

@mathanxiety

There is inflation in the EU too you know. In Hungary in April it was 5.2%.

Yes, but they're not being told their beer is going to cost 3p less in 2023 in Hungary, are they?

Indeed they are not, you are quite correct. And that is because the EU would not allow the changes that the Chancellor has thought up and introduced today. These are the kind of freedoms we are now blessed with thanks to Brexit.

Indeed they are not, you are quite correct. And that is because the EU would not allow the changes that the Chancellor has thought up and introduced today.
These are the kind of freedoms we are now blessed with thanks to Brexit.

Good luck with your 'very-slightly-cheaper-beer-tomorrow' then.

Quite honestly, if you are willing to throw away the massive advantages membership of the EU conferred on the UK for the sake of 3p off the price of a pint, I am truly sorry for you.

Let's see if there was freedom in the EU -

A change to beer taxation, Progressive Beer Duty was introduced by Gordon Brown in 2002. It was a reduction in beer duty based on a brewery's total production and aimed at helping smaller breweries.[36] The legislation had been campaigned for by the Society of Independent Brewers (Siba). In 2009, the combined sales of Siba's 420-plus members increased by 4% compared with 2008. By 2011 the breweries in the UK, were recording an average growth in beer sales of 3% to 7% per annum.[36]...

...A piece of legislation popularly known as the "twenty four-hour drinking", officially the Licensing Act 2003 came into force in 2005. This removed the previous national restrictions on opening hours, allowing pubs and licensed premises to open for any or all of a twenty four-hour period, subject to agreement with the local licensing authorities. In practice, most pubs made only minor changes to their opening hours.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_England

Well wouldja look at that...
I believe the UK was a member of the EU at that time.

The Budget imposes extra duty on whisky (and other drinks), which is sure to adversely affect Scottish producers. Pushing up the price of whisky at home when there are no trade agreements enabling export of whisky will have horrible results.

The current transportation problems are set to last well into the next few years. Prices will rise to offset rising transportation prices.

Meanwhile, the lack of a trade agreement with the EU and the US means that brewers will be looking to cut production.

www.goodbeerhunting.com/sightlines/1/27/brexit-burdens-uk-beer-industry-with-new-costs-paperwork
Read and weep.

Brexit almost killed the beer sector. It's about to kill whisky with the able help of Rishi Sunak.

Less tax on beer means more tax somewhere else.

jgw1 is being somewhat tongue in cheek…. So yes some satire has crept into the thread. Along the lines of if we don’t laugh, we cry…

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Singapore have a large young population? And is also part of the emerging markets of south east Asia. Yes, I know our Government have kidded themselves that we are a Pacific nation.

It's about to kill whisky with the able help of Rishi Sunak.
More grist to the Scottish Independence mill.

A little like the Johnson parody account on Twitter. Often tricky to interpret....

Yes, I know our Government have kidded themselves that we are a Pacific nation.

If Remainers don't affirm that Brexitannia is now located on the other side of the world, that is unpatriotic Talking Britain Down behaviour.

Patriotically Talking Britain Up is not going very well on the "Communist Sweden indoctrinates babies and forces mothers to put them in childcare - good thing we live in the UK" thread.

France impounding British trawlers should bring out the doughty Falklands spirit in everyone, though.

Per the BBC
"On Wednesday, Brexit Minister Lord Frost said French threats to block UK boats from ports were "disappointing"."

Isn't "disappointing" Government speak for "Shit, that's bad, but there's sweet FA we can do about it"?

"disappointing"

Yes, surely they should be threatening to get the Navy to ram the boats? Or maybe there is a Court they could take the dispute too? Or what about calling on our Global allies to help us out?

@mathanxiety

Let's see if there was freedom in the EU -

A change to beer taxation, Progressive Beer Duty was introduced by Gordon Brown in 2002. It was a reduction in beer duty based on a brewery's total production and aimed at helping smaller breweries.[36] The legislation had been campaigned for by the Society of Independent Brewers (Siba). In 2009, the combined sales of Siba's 420-plus members increased by 4% compared with 2008. By 2011 the breweries in the UK, were recording an average growth in beer sales of 3% to 7% per annum.[36]...

...A piece of legislation popularly known as the "twenty four-hour drinking", officially the Licensing Act 2003 came into force in 2005. This removed the previous national restrictions on opening hours, allowing pubs and licensed premises to open for any or all of a twenty four-hour period, subject to agreement with the local licensing authorities. In practice, most pubs made only minor changes to their opening hours.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_England

Well wouldja look at that...
I believe the UK was a member of the EU at that time.

The Budget imposes extra duty on whisky (and other drinks), which is sure to adversely affect Scottish producers. Pushing up the price of whisky at home when there are no trade agreements enabling export of whisky will have horrible results.

The current transportation problems are set to last well into the next few years. Prices will rise to offset rising transportation prices.

Meanwhile, the lack of a trade agreement with the EU and the US means that brewers will be looking to cut production.

www.goodbeerhunting.com/sightlines/1/27/brexit-burdens-uk-beer-industry-with-new-costs-paperwork
Read and weep.

Brexit almost killed the beer sector. It's about to kill whisky with the able help of Rishi Sunak.

Less tax on beer means more tax somewhere else.

So you are saying that it is Gordon Brown's fault and without his attack on beer we would not have had Brexit. An intersting viewpoint.

@DrBlackbird

jgw1 is being somewhat tongue in cheek…. So yes some satire has crept into the thread. Along the lines of if we don’t laugh, we cry…

Is it me providing the satire or the Chancellor?

Not really sure that cheap beer - in a country where the toll of alcohol abuse is immeasurable - is really what we should be obsessing over.

There was a saying my late mother used to use, "She makes the bullets for him to fire".

The Government are perhaps making the bullets for jgw1 to shoot.

France taking back control of their borders

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59073715

UK boat detained by France amid fishing rights row

how long before someone loses an eye ?

Or an ear (see previous conflicts).

@DGRossetti

Not really sure that cheap beer - in a country where the toll of alcohol abuse is immeasurable - is really what we should be obsessing over.

Do pay attention. Being outside the EU not only means that draught beer can be 3p a pint cheaper in 2023, but that the tax on prosecco is the same as wine with the same alcohol content. This means that drinks are taxed by their alcohol content rather than the current system. Thus saving the NHS, clap, clap clap.