Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

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Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

That is very worrying SecondRateFrog

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/raabs-revamp-of-human-rights-act-provokes-outrage-on-social-media-295804

@mathanxiety

To be fair to Brian Hayhurst, he did mention that he hopes Boris Johnson notices that there are no shortages and plenty of everything in his neck of the Spanish woods.

Why would he care?

@HannibalHayeski

This 90-day restriction must surely be reviewed?

Yes, but then we might have to let some of those dirty forriners stay for longer, and we wouldn't want that now, would we?

In the interests of accuracy and even-handedness, the UK allows people on a standard visitor visa to stay for 6 months. www.gov.uk/standard-visitor

This is the argument of a lot of the people who used to spend longer than 90 days in Spain or elsewhere. They ask why it can't be reciprocal.

The answer is, of course, that EU member states' policies on length of visas apply to all third country nationals. How much do they want citizens of other third countries demanding the same kind of treatment, were they to make special arrangements for UK citizens under some kind of reciprocal agreement?

And anyway, e.g. the USA and Australia only allow UK citizens to stay 90 days on a visitor visa. Why would EU member states be any different?

The answer is, of course, that EU member states' policies on length of visas apply to all third country nationals. How much do they want citizens of other third countries demanding the same kind of treatment, were they to make special arrangements for UK citizens under some kind of reciprocal agreement?

There is no "EU-UK" agreement on travel, surely ? It's a UK->individual country relationship, as that is what the UK wanted. So Spain get to decide what's good for Spain, France for France and so on.

I think it's called "sovereignty"

You'll note I did say "EU member states". Which, as pointed out, are able to set their own rules on length of visas.

Though the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation agreement did deal with the matter of visitor visas.
www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/etias-visa-how-will-it-affect-uk-citizens

Meanwhile in Norway...

twitter.com/RichWoodUK/status/1449665078186463234

Byline Times - ‘Us and Them’ Politics Puts Us All in Danger

Interesting article about how division is bad for everyone, in light of the terrible murder of Sir David Amess. We need more politicians who will bring us together, rather than the 'divide and rule' approach of the current Government.

Let us not forget that Johnson's Government is still trying to whip up tension. Most businesses in NI have said that they are satisfied with what the EU has just offered. Johnson and Frost aren't, and are now looking for something else to complain about.

Yes, NI business are enjoying the best of both worlds - still enjoying access to the single market and easier interaction with businesses on the mainland - with what's being offered by the EU.
But not good enough for the Gvmnt, as a matter of ideology / bloody mindedness principle.

I'm a fan if the Byline Times too:
bylinetimes.com/2021/10/18/taking-jobs-or-creating-jobs-the-impact-of-brexit-on-wages/?fbclid=IwAR2uPPFRh_nuocUnA_30ZHjzPWqh2vrJk82uVDa6fKeIkuDsV0MW0S9UtL8

Yes, NI business are enjoying the best of both worlds

Something which was most assuredly not supposed to happen. One wonders how the sight of the DUP trying to drag NI down into the sinkhole the rUK has become will play out in the NI electorate ?

@DoubleTweenQueen

Yes, NI business are enjoying the best of both worlds - still enjoying access to the single market and easier interaction with businesses on the mainland - with what's being offered by the EU. But not good enough for the Gvmnt, as a matter of ideology / bloody mindedness principle.

Goodness has the UK government found a principle. Surely that would be headline news if it were true?

Where there have been judgments that, albeit properly and duly delivered by the courts, we think are wrong, the right thing is for Parliament to legislate to correct them

It’s that we that is just so disturbing.

We, as in a handful of us ministers picked by a man with no credentials to be running a country (other than his toddler-formed wish to be king and the rest of his easy life solidifying his, and that inner handful’s, sense of entitlement) overtaking those decisions that hinder or undermine our authoritarian power grab.

It’s truly disturbing that Lord Puttnum begins his speech referencing Albert Speer and the loss of democracy in pre-war Germany and "the way democracy can be corrupted and overturned by a few malevolent but persuasive politicians, those who are prepared to exploit divisions in society with simple populist messages".

What has this country come to…?

Another entry for the 'this is not the brexit I voted for' novel:
Pig Farmer on Woman's Hour: "Yes, I did vote for Brexit, but I can assure everybody that's listening I did not vote for this. I voted for people to be more patriotic."

@DuncinToffee

Another entry for the 'this is not the brexit I voted for' novel: Pig Farmer on Woman's Hour: "Yes, I did vote for Brexit, but I can assure everybody that's listening I did not vote for this. I voted for people to be more patriotic."

The irony being I'm less happy with my country than I have ever been.

Funny how thirty other countries could (and continue to be) patriotic despite being members (or former members ) of the EU.

I say 30 because I'm counting Wales and Scotland as "countries", even if they are not yet "sovereign states" and assuming that this pig ignorant farmer is English

(Unfortunately for NI, it is just a province and not a country in its own right).

So ...

Young, female, EU migrants could make history in next general election

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/migrants-4-labour-party-general-election-295875/

( Parizotto, who lives in London and identifies as a Londoner, )

Tears for Tim Martin ?

northeastbylines.co.uk/wetherspoons-boss-loses-out-because-of-brexit/

And Farage's ignorance of Ireland called out ..

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/you-havent-got-a-clue-farage-slammed-over-his-knowledge-of-ireland-live-on-tv-295960

@DuncinToffee

Another entry for the 'this is not the brexit I voted for' novel: Pig Farmer on Woman's Hour: "Yes, I did vote for Brexit, but I can assure everybody that's listening I did not vote for this. I voted for people to be more patriotic."

How can you vote for other people to be more patriotic. How can your vote make other people express more love for their country. I genuinely don't get the thinking there.

It's an example of how 'Brexit' is - and always has been - anything you want it to be at any given moment.

Another entry for the 'this is not the brexit I voted for' novel

Did he vote Tory in 2019? If so, with the only commitment Johnson made then was to Get Brexit Done, he has got his wish.

How can you vote for other people to be more patriotic.

Depends on whether "patriotism" is a euphemism for "less brown" ?

@Peregrina

Another entry for the 'this is not the brexit I voted for' novel

Did he vote Tory in 2019? If so, with the only commitment Johnson made then was to Get Brexit Done, he has got his wish.

Oh Brexit is certainly done. Trouble is the chef got distracted and the whole thing that was once allegedly oven ready is very badly burnt.

jgw1 it is also still raw in the middle.

May I congratulate you on your EPIC trolling on your Christmas thread? Bravo!

@pointythings

jgw1 it is also still raw in the middle.

May I congratulate you on your EPIC trolling on your Christmas thread? Bravo!

Might need a linky for that. Could do with a larf

Maybe the pig farmer thought that if were were all locked onto a small island with no possibility of escape, we would have to become patriotic.

The passport thread is also good for a larf, (or laff, as we would say in the north.) The "It's nothing to do with Brexit" brigade are out in force -about a passport which hasn't expired, but doesn't have three months left on it.