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Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

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vera99 · 07/10/2021 21:36

Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

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wewereliars · 19/10/2021 18:16

Well played jgw1 !

Surprised Clav and co. not on there heartily agreeing. No takers though, so maybe small ground for optimism! Smile

AuldAlliance · 19/10/2021 18:29

jgw1
I've enjoyed your input on various threads
There's a chance that your spelling and grammar give you away, though Wink.

pointythings · 19/10/2021 18:42

Linky to the Christmas thread.

DoubleTweenQueen · 19/10/2021 19:02

@Peregrina

The passport thread is also good for a larf, (or laff, as we would say in the north.) The "It's nothing to do with Brexit" brigade are out in force -about a passport which hasn't expired, but doesn't have three months left on it.
Think I've seen that one - half-term Greece trip in jeopardy? :D
DoubleTweenQueen · 19/10/2021 19:06

@jgw1 Ooh, you rabble-rouser! :D

DuncinToffee · 19/10/2021 19:28

@Peregrina

Another entry for the 'this is not the brexit I voted for' novel

Did he vote Tory in 2019? If so, with the only commitment Johnson made then was to Get Brexit Done, he has got his wish.

He is actually a She, Kate Morgan. No idea how she voted in 2019 but in 2016 she thought leave would mean the EU would collapse which she hoped would lead to getting fairer prices.
borntobequiet · 19/10/2021 19:43

Very good stuff @jgw1

borntobequiet · 19/10/2021 19:51

This is my favourite response so far:

give over. He is a lazy arse. An incompetent lazy arse. You should never have married him

jgw1 · 19/10/2021 19:53

@borntobequiet

Very good stuff *@jgw1*
What I don't understand is that it is perfectly possible to make a rational argument for leaving the EU and a positive vision of the UK afterwards, but those who led the leave campaign for some reason only seemed interested in their own careers and immigration that had nothing to do with the EU.
borntobequiet · 19/10/2021 20:07

They were always acting in bad faith because they didn’t think Leave would win…

DoubleTweenQueen · 19/10/2021 20:12

@Peregrina Laff is acceptable - lived up the 'Pool when I was younger. 'Larf' is just me trying to fit in :)

FrankieStein403 · 19/10/2021 20:19

He is actually a She, Kate Morgan.

I heard an interview with Kate Moore on the Monday WH starting 47mins in and specifically @ 52:45 when asked 'you voted for this?'
she defended voting for brexit on the basis of patriotism/government to look after us/controlling borders and claimed to have made a very educated vote. The issue is the fault of the processors for not getting staff sorted "they knew they had 60% of their staff from the EU"

The consideration that border controls may impact Labour supply didn't seem to be part of her informed vote Confused

DuncinToffee · 19/10/2021 20:26

FrankieStein403 Yes that is the interview the quote came from.

Peregrina · 19/10/2021 21:31

No idea how she voted in 2019 but in 2016 she thought leave would mean the EU would collapse which she hoped would lead to getting fairer prices.

But at the time, no one knew that Cameron would do a runner, and we had Farage extolling the virtues of Norway doing all right by not being in the EU. So at that stage she might genuinely have been hoping for a Norway style agreement, which is not totally stupid.

If she voted for the Tories 2019 then tough, we'd seen enough of how Johnson behaved first as Foreign secretary to know that he was not a man fit for high office and that putting her faith in him was a big gamble.

SecondRateFrog · 19/10/2021 23:33

This is to do with Poland, but at first reading I thought that it referred to somewhere closer to home...
"Europe will not digest the end of the rule of law. Europe will die from such a development... Europe has been built on democracy, liberty, respect - and the rule of law," Asselborn told reporters before a meeting of EU European affairs ministers in Luxembourg.
"We have to realize this, not only the members that respect the rule of law but also in places where the thinking is that the rule of law is not that important. If you challenge the rule of law, you do it for a reason. And this reason is the retention of power."

AuldAlliance · 20/10/2021 08:57

For those who enjoy irony...the final year of the UK's participation in Erasmus looks like this:

-to get Erasmus funding, students have to spend at least 90 days in the partner institution

-if they spend over 90 days in the host country, they need a visa. Currently very hard to get for UK students on mobility to the EU, esp for Spain. For students travelling to the UK, the cost is around £1k, as it includes healthcare fees. Oh, and they have to prove they have a small fortune in the bank per month of their stay in the UK.

I'm sure the solution is for them all to leave at 00:00 on the 90th day. Simples. All it takes is some positive thinking and an ability to turn your face to the sunlight uplands, and hijack a plane.

Peregrina · 20/10/2021 09:16

DGR - yes bonus for Irish and also Scandinavians who tend to have a high standard of English. I know this from people doing TEFL teaching in various EU countries. Who is going to bother sponsoring people for a visa, and waiting until they get it, if someone else can have an interview on the Saturday and say that they can start next week? (A real life example there.)

I don't know, but I would suspect that if the UK had gone into the negotiations without the belligerent attitude that they still have, that some mutual agreement could have been sorted out, as with musicians.

Yes, there are also plenty of TEFL jobs in China, South Korea and South America - but they are all a long way away for a UK based student. Strangely enough, this is one advantage Covid brought, with teaching switched to on-line - Skype, zoom, etc. so now language teachers don't necessarily need to be in the country where the student is.

I feel the same sort of anger for people who had thriving export businesses to the EU, who are now told to trade with Canada or where-ever instead. Despite whatever Johnson, Frost and all the other crowd of Brexiters think, the EU is part of the globe, and the UK won't be global in anything if it pretends otherwise.

Peregrina · 20/10/2021 09:33

Try this for another laugh the Sunday Mail poll buried at the bottom of a page because the vote went the wrong way.

DGRossetti · 20/10/2021 09:58

Top comment:

The DE are saying that there is a group of countries benefiting from their membership of an organisation called the EU. We're missing out because we're not a member. What could we possibly do to remedy the situation?

Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot
Peregrina · 20/10/2021 10:03

Boo hoo, it's not fair that they kicked us out of the EU. Oh wait, we asked to leave and the dear Leader Johnson "negotiated" a hard Brexit.

DGRossetti · 20/10/2021 12:58

@Peregrina

Boo hoo, it's not fair that they kicked us out of the EU. Oh wait, we asked to leave and the dear Leader Johnson "negotiated" a hard Brexit.
You say that, but I can guarantee that even as I type there will be a few folk who genuinely believe Brexit was the EU kicking the UK out.

I can confidently type that, as I was meeting people in 2008 who blamed the global financial crisis on "the Tories".

I know #bekind and all that, but we do ourselves no favours by ignoring the fact that some people really are that thick. As P.T. Barnum observed.

SecondRateFrog · 20/10/2021 13:44

I remember when the government listed the (apparently negligible) disadvantages of Brexit. Freedom of movement didn't make the list. I assume because anyone who wants to work in the EU isn't a true Brit, so can be disregarded.

Chersfrozenface · 20/10/2021 16:30

See also, people who want to retire to Spain and don't have much of a private pension.

I lurk on a couple of expat forums and there have been a few with small private pensions or just the state pension asking where they should move to once they'd sold their gaff in the UK - wanting the sea, countryside, golf, whatever - who have been stupefied to find out that with their income they won't get a visa to live in Spain at all.