Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

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Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

Johnson was already back from holiday, chairing a meeting in Bristol

On the thread in chat, the Rayner comments started a few posts in, the usual posters.

I shoud have said Sir David Amess in my previous post, mea culpa.

Yes the news tonight made me really sad. The worst thing about Brexit is what it has done to all of us. The government constantly stoke things, wind people up, make people angry. And these shocking incidents are the worst of it, but there are thousands of smaller incidents every single day.

Really very sad about David Amess.

I miss the country we had back in 2012, where we were more together. It wasn't like everything was rosy, but it really wasn't as bad as it is now, it was less angry - and people weren't so skint.

twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1449009694303981577

That's the problem when you foment hatred in people.

We've had solicitors being attacked with knives as a direct consequence of what government ministers have said, so to try and put the blame on Angela Rayner is a bit rich.

And with the anger they are trying whip up against GPs now, how long until that has fatal results?

They don't get to play the blame game.

I seem to recall how Jo Cox murder was deemed to be nothing to do with the rhetoric Farage was whipping up - which was much less aggressive than anything Angela Rayner may or may not have done. If anyone wants to pursue that pathetic line of thinking.

Horribly fascinated to hear what the perpetrators story is.

@DGRossetti

I seem to recall how Jo Cox murder was deemed to be nothing to do with the rhetoric Farage was whipping up - which was much less aggressive than anything Angela Rayner may or may not have done. If anyone wants to pursue that pathetic line of thinking.

Horribly fascinated to hear what the perpetrators story is.

Well yes, because if the right whip up hatred amplified by newspapers that is fine, but if the left whip up hatred that is not fine.

Right wing hate speak is just the norm in the UK. We are all losing out due to it, as it puts people against each other.

much more aggressive ... FTAOD

I miss the country we had back in 2012

Me too. Sure, things weren’t perfect but it seemed like a much more optimistic time. If you’d have gone up to the average person in the street and asked them what they thought of the EU I expect the majority would have said they didn’t really have an opinion. I didn’t.

For better or for worse, it seems some of the 48% have decided that some of the 52% will never get to enjoy their ill gotten gains and that's what is playing out. And it's playing out in the sure knowledge that it would have been exactly the same had the vote been reversed. Leave made it crystal clear they'd never let us Remain in the EU peacefully.

Oh dear. Gvmnts' diplomacy continuing to win minds and influence:
www.ft.com/content/b5f7dd12-1812-44b8-b682-b4289bcdc7b8?fbclid=IwAR0quya4V4GAfvLxjZSFiaYRqLmZcWl0ImOWwvFMZ0O-yoiqc9PYTroWKs0

I would suspect that a significant number of people, even Leavers, are getting fed up with the whole business though. They will just want Brexit done, like it was supposed to be ten months ago.

@Peregrina

I would suspect that a significant number of people, even Leavers, are getting fed up with the whole business though. They will just want Brexit done, like it was supposed to be ten months ago.

But now while theyre fed up is the time to start removing their rights and whip up more frenzy, look at the whipping up of anti protest rhetoric going on right now, till we get to the point of a referendum on the death penalty

I think the tactics of the insulate protesters are giving them an easy win on this sadly.

Duncan Morrow @Duncan_Morrow

Irish trade figures show what the real trade diversion effect of Brexit is: Imports to Ireland from GB being replaced rapidly by imports from NI, Netherlands and France. The landbridge has become a landwall.

www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/gei/goodsexportsandimportsaugust2021/

"BREAKING: Matt Hancock has lost his job at the United Nations just a few days after getting it"

I shouldn't laugh...

[quote DuncinToffee]Duncan Morrow @Duncan_Morrow

Irish trade figures show what the real trade diversion effect of Brexit is: Imports to Ireland from GB being replaced rapidly by imports from NI, Netherlands and France. The landbridge has become a landwall.

www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/gei/goodsexportsandimportsaugust2021/[/quote]

The other thing I note is that Ireland is running a significant trade surplus in goods. This contrasts with the UK which runs a significant trade deficit in goods and even with services is only intermittently in surplus.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02815/

I'm sure that cutting ourselves off from our largest and closest market, without a trade deal that includes services, while lacking significant natural resources, is really going to help the UK's trade balance

It does however explain why WM is desperate not to let Scotland regain its independence

@Lonelycrab

I miss the country we had back in 2012

Me too. Sure, things weren’t perfect but it seemed like a much more optimistic time. If you’d have gone up to the average person in the street and asked them what they thought of the EU I expect the majority would have said they didn’t really have an opinion. I didn’t.

If you look at polling on most important issues Europe barely featured.

It was a concocted crisis and fools fell for it.

@HannibalHayeski

"BREAKING: Matt Hancock has lost his job at the United Nations just a few days after getting it"

I shouldn't laugh...

I'm afraid I did !

From the BBC news report
"The last thing the African continent needs is a failed British politician. This isn't the 19th Century."

That nice man nasty money grabbing millionaire Rishi Sunak has has told his "independent" fiscal watchdog to use out of date data for the Budget forecast

It’ll guarantee a big upgrade in level of UK output in next year’s Budget, just in time for the election.

How do these people sleep at night?

Chris Grey's latest blog.

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2021/10/the-moral-turpitude-of-brexit.html

Labour peer, David Puttnam quits the House of Lords.

Brexitshambles
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Puttnam quits Lords citing the government's path to self-inflicted disaster, pig-ignorance in the Brexit negotiations and their running of a populist regime, trampling on rights and conventions with the sole purpose of tightening their grip on power.

Article in The Guardian
www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/16/david-puttnam-hits-out-government-quits-house-of-lords

Fair play to him, here's hoping others follow,

[quote HarrietPierce]Labour peer, David Puttnam quits the House of Lords.

Brexitshambles
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Puttnam quits Lords citing the government's path to self-inflicted disaster, pig-ignorance in the Brexit negotiations and their running of a populist regime, trampling on rights and conventions with the sole purpose of tightening their grip on power.

Article in The Guardian
www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/16/david-puttnam-hits-out-government-quits-house-of-lords[/quote]
He is being a little unfair on pigs. They wouldn't have made such a mess.