Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

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Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

Done there job with 100% effectiveness to date as well.

A statement which is quite frankly impossible to verify. Who knows what prevents something from happening?

Levelling up is just another cynical lie. The Tories have spent years levelling us down and there is more austerity in the pipeline, with local councils, social care and the NHS already on their knees. It's going to be horrific.

@Peregrina

Galileo - and then whining about being excluded.

Wasn't it the UK when still an EU member who insisted on Galileo not being open to "3rd countries"

Hoist by its own petard

"but don't you know who we are?" I hear them wail

Wasn't it the UK .... who insisted on Galileo not being open to "3rd countries"

Yes.

Two things. Cabotage related.

1 - It sounds like you'll have terrible stomach ache and wind.

2 - It also sounds French

In our Local Authority, anyone who has an HGV license is driving a bin lorry, even if they are supposed to be doing something else...

Done their job with 100% effectiveness to date as well.

So they managed to stop Iran and north Korea creating a nuclear arsenal and ballistic missiles? Managed to stop Russia removing Western democracies with cyber? How is that 100% effective!

The submarine fleet completed its deterrent role with Polaris/chevaline and the breakup of the USSR - Trident has never been justifiable.

Cheltenham is far more important to our defence than a couple of subs and missiles which we maintain on behalf of the USA. The huge Chinese farms mining crypto have the potential to give them control of the global economy - what influence does the submarine fleet have over those?

There is no etymological connection between the French words cabotage and cabotin, but the latter refers to an actor who overacts, or one who overestimates their talent and hams it up on stage to conceal their mediocrity.

Or, more generally, to someone who likes to hog the limelight.

Far be it from me to draw any parallels between anything and anyone.

Its 100% effective because their job is to deter another actor from attacking the UK or anywhere else in Western Europe with nuclear weapons. Since this has never happened the system has worked (so far).

I actually agree that Cyber defence GCHQ is just as important as physical weapons. We should have more of both.

@AuldAlliance

There is no etymological connection between the French words cabotage and cabotin, but the latter refers to an actor who overacts, or one who overestimates their talent and hams it up on stage to conceal their mediocrity.

Or, more generally, to someone who likes to hog the limelight.

Far be it from me to draw any parallels between anything and anyone.

It's hard not to hear cabotage and think sabotage

the irony. And shoes.

@LouiseCollins28

Its 100% effective because their job is to deter another actor from attacking the UK or anywhere else in Western Europe with nuclear weapons. Since this has never happened the system has worked (so far).

I actually agree that Cyber defence GCHQ is just as important as physical weapons. We should have more of both.

I shat in a hat and buried it in my garden when we moved in. Since then I haven't had any problems with swarms of locusts.

@AuldAlliance there probably is an etymological connection, since 'cabotage' originally meant 'coastal trade' from 'caboter' to sail along the coast, in the way a 'coaster' did and does, wandering from port to port, picking up and dropping off goods. And 'cabotin' originally meant 'wandering player', 'itinerant actor'.

Love a linguistic byway, me.

Etymology uncertain, though.
www.cnrtl.fr/etymologie/cabotin

I like these byways, too...

Louisecollins Ever heard of the term " non sequitur"?

@LouiseCollins28

Its 100% effective because their job is to deter another actor from attacking the UK or anywhere else in Western Europe with nuclear weapons. Since this has never happened the system has worked (so far).

I actually agree that Cyber defence GCHQ is just as important as physical weapons. We should have more of both.

That's a logical fallacy. that means they have worked assumed this would have happened if they weren't there. We have no way of knowing whether this is true or not so we cannot draw a conclusion one way or the other.

@Peregrina

My dear ma was talking to him yesterday and she said he was ranting about remainers - furious about how we've messed up Brexit

That was Frostie's line too - we had to push a bad deal through because of the Remainers. Conveniently ignoring that they had just won an 80 seat majority having chased out most Remain MP and could have asked for more time from the EU to get the deal they really wanted.

And then Cummings goes and spills the beans.

But I am sure we were told that the Brexit deal was oven ready before the election.

@pussycatlickinglollyices

Two things. Cabotage related.

1 - It sounds like you'll have terrible stomach ache and wind.

2 - It also sounds French

In our Local Authority, anyone who has an HGV license is driving a bin lorry, even if they are supposed to be doing something else...

Ah so this whole lorry mess is the Frenchies fault. I might have known that.

Done there job with 100% effectiveness to date as well.

When my friend was a child, her elderly Irish great aunt (I had lots of these too) used to say that the fact that the moon didn’t fall out of the sky was proof that angels were doing their job properly.

Awful, awful news about the Leigh-in-Sea MP David Amess dying after being stabbed. Just dreadfully sad.

I've already heard a Tory saying they hope Angela Rayner is feeling guilty after using the language of hate and calling the Government Tories 'scum'. I assume this person picked up the thought from social media.

The vast majority of the British public expect a certain standard of civility and traditional manners from figures in public life. It's almost as if you can lie and cheat (see current No.10) - so long as you do it with a civil tongue in your head.

The Tories at the top just now have harnessed division and hatred more than any party I have ever known. Having been sidelined and labelled a traitor by them for wanting what I felt best for this country and hoping to stay in the EU or at least the SM it is a bit rich to see them get on their high horse now about using intemperate language.

Do you remember Boris Johnson's 'surrender act', 'betrayal' and 'traitor' being quoted back at him in the Commons in 2019. Paula Sheriff MP called for moderate language as MPs were being targetted by death threats. Jo Cox had already died.

Angela Rayner was very, very wrong and she should now resign. Immediately.

"Angela Rayner was very, very wrong and she should now resign. Immediately."

Eh?

@Dancerinthedark01

"Angela Rayner was very, very wrong and she should now resign. Immediately."

Eh?

It was an extremely foolish thing to say. The point is not whether people privately agree with what she said or not. She is supposed to be a senior politician so she should at least have known that leaving a hostage to fortune like that is just a gift to the opposition.

Whatever you think of what she said Labour have no way to defend her now. She's become a liability and must go.

I note there has been no comment from her since David Amess death was announced. I guess there are some heated discussions going in Labour Party HQ.

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It is also shocking that the online Tories are shouting about the 'scum' comment and putting blame on her just hours after the death. Especially as someone has been arrested and we don't even know what happened. Could be any reason for the attack. It's too soon -- and probably illegal- to attribute motive. But there you go.

But their behaviour to the poor and disabled is scummy, so why not say so? Like Bevan's "lower than vermin" said after bitter personal experience.

Will Boris Johnson cut his holiday short, I wonder?

Dreadful news, RIP to David Amess and condolences to his loved ones.

We are living with a coarsened politcical discourse , in which politicians and media which are stoking and creating division in an incredibly cynical and irresponsible way.

The whole brexit project was dependant on this.

So it's a bit rich to call for Rayner's resignation, look at all the hatred and division stoked up by; eg

Sajid Javid against GPs, the Daily Mail front page attack on judges as " enemies of the people" , attacks on Lady Hale and the Supreme Court following the proroguing parliament judgement. That's without Farage and his one man hate anyone foreign mission .As well as all the "bon mots" from Johnson, too numerous to list.

@Peregrina

But their behaviour to the poor and disabled is scummy, so why not say so? Like Bevan's "lower than vermin" said after bitter personal experience.

Will Boris Johnson cut his holiday short, I wonder?

Because the left is held to a higher moral standard than the right. Because the left-wing argument is based on solidarity rather than 'survival of the fittest'.

I don't make the rules.

Terrible news about Sir David Amess.

All Rayner did was call out the Tories' treatment of the poor and disabled as the behaviour of scum. Which it is.