Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

[vera99]

Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

Apparently, Nadine Dorries can read.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1503307/nadine-dorries-declares-war-councils-shut-libraries-mission-reopen-them

Well done Clav your Brexit is advancing the march to veganism by destroying animals whilst your boss lives high on the hog on a freebie with his entitled pals in Spain.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10078645/Now-4-500-pigs-face-cull-days-Thousands-swine-set-killed-disposed-of.html

But I hear now that Johnson and Priti Patel are having a spat

And Kwarteng and Sunak it seems.
Some industry guy on bbc news this morning said Johnson should step in and bang their heads together. No mention of him being on holiday.

He thrives on the chaos he creates it takes him back to childhood when Stanley smashed his mum in her face and shagged the au pairs. He is a deeply damaged man who was a lonely child desperate for paternal love in his heart that can never be assuaged. Now as a nation we are getting a test of what it's like to live in his life on an epic scale.

Well that explains some of it.

@nicktolhurst
+UPDATE+

UK civil servants have been told to “workshop a trade war with EU” as the UK govt now believes the current trade deal agreed with the EU is so bad that a trade war might not be as costly in comparison.

Ever get the feeling we've been had....

They will blame Covid - it's good for another year, and then go back to blaming the EU.

@Peregrina

They will blame Covid - it's good for another year, and then go back to blaming the EU.

Didn't we get covid from EU countries anyway, if they weren't so slack to have let it in in the first place...

This article has depressed me because John Harris spent 10 years travelling up and down Britain talking to ordinary folk and saw Brexit coming a mile off. We're in a post-truth universe with an Eton educated pound-shop British version of Trump's populism. + too many foreigners that always plays well to the mob.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/10/britain-economic-crisis-worse-tories-boris-johnson

I find it all very depressing and even people I regard as having standards seem to give Johnson a free pass. They backtrack when challenged, but I fear that there are so many like them, who don't really think. It's not possible to challenge them all.

How low do we want food prices to go though? A survey comparing spending in 2017 to 1957 shows that the average household spent 33% of their weekly income on food compared to 16% now. Clothing was 10% then compared to 5% now. Fuel and power was 6% compared to 4% now.

The things that we spend more on now are leisure services which have gone from just 9% to 23% now, transport up to 14% from 8%, more people have cars and travel further to work. Rent and mortgage are 18% today up from 9% in the 1950s.

When I was at University in 1976 a litre bottle of 6% Sainsbury cider cost 70p. Now Frosty Jack at 7.5% costs £1.48 a litre at Iceland. Not that I would recommend either. Booze is incredibly cheap but housing has way outstretched inflation.

vera99 - that's it, isn't it? The Brexiters went on about cheaper food, which setting aside the fact that it's turning out to be a lie, was never really our problem. Our food is relatively cheap by EU standards. Our big problem is the stupid cost of housing. Heseltine spoke out yesterday and mentioned the cost of mortgages, but it's not mortgages though, it's the stupid rents with lack of secure tenancies which people have to pay, which are the real problem.

Interesting thread about the rapid expansion of the Rosslare/Dunkirk sea routes, sidestepping the "land bridge" twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1447502843456499714?s=20

(I have a lot of respect for John Harris - that article is persuasive and depressing in equal measure...)

There is a housing crisis and has been for at least 30 years and is only getting worse. I remember my land law lecturer talking about it in the mid 80s.

That is the issue which underpins a lot of the current financial problems for normal people.

There is no political will to address this issue because it gives a massive capital boost to the Tory heartlands, and Tory cronies, and property developers hoard land to keep profits soaring.

Property developers are hand in glove with the criminal gang we have who are currently masquerading as a government.

And of course it was the Tories who introduced right to buy in respect of council properties, while effectively banning local authorities from replacing the housing stock.

This is a country which keeps voting for self serving bastards to act as its government, so that's what we keep getting. Who knew?

⬆️ 100% this!

Heseltine today:

“Just take the phrase, take back control. That’s what we were told Brexit would do. Can you show me any area where you think this government has actually achieved a greater degree of control? It is lurching from crisis to crisis. And it’s patently not in control.”

It's not so much a government these days but a criminal conspiracy inflating a property Ponzi scheme whilst waving union jacks.

And note the Brexshittiers coming here now and claiming "it's good that we should all pay more for our food", when during the referendum campaign any hint of this was PROJECT FEAR.

No, you don't get to rewrite the narrative to try and hide the lies you told...

I have seen people claiming it is good we have less food shortage, or even claiming it is normal to have half-empty shelves.

Housing costs are definitely the problem. Rents are sky high, there is no council housing and the salary multiplier for buying a house has gone through the roof, it is rare to find a house costing 3/4 times salary now in most areas of the UK. Mortgages are only affordable for most with ultra low interest rates, if they go up it will be difficult for many.

@julieca

I have seen people claiming it is good we have less food shortage, or even claiming it is normal to have half-empty shelves.

Yes, it will combat obesity, instill that good old WW2 spirit, make us all doughty and resilient again and improve our moral fibre . And then we'll get our Empire back again too.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, those of us with allergies or other dietary requirements can't reliably get the food we need, and if we can, we have to travel further for it. Great for the environment.

Don't forget the simultaneous "supply chains are too long, we should all be buying local seasonal food from the farmer around the corner" and "hurrah for importing stuff from the Pacific and Oceania!"

Yes its good news that we cant buy some foods.