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Brexit Megathread - Part 1 because it's not over by a long shot

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vera99 · 22/09/2021 19:41

Started a new thread for all things Brexity as the last generic dumping ground reached its 1000 post limit. As this developing shitshow unfolds it's going to be important to share and unload. Clav of course will punt a contrarian view along with unrepentant 'taking back control' so-called Brexiteers. I look forward to seeing the benefits.

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Thewiseoneincognito · 06/10/2021 19:53

@wewereliars

On a lighter(?) note, Therese (a modest proposal) Coffey is 49!

I thought she was mid 60s,so there's that.Wink

My god. I just googled this to confirm and it’s true. 49.

Picture of health. 😮

vera99 · 06/10/2021 19:54

Crikey - how evil ages you....

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vera99 · 06/10/2021 19:58

Of course, if she wasn't an evil tory witch we wouldn't be saying this, would we? But she is.

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Obsidiansphere · 06/10/2021 20:06

Just a load of profiteers masquerading as politicians…very badly.

borntobequiet · 06/10/2021 21:33

@wewereliars

On a lighter(?) note, Therese (a modest proposal) Coffey is 49!

I thought she was mid 60s,so there's that.Wink

Gosh I thought she wasn’t far off my age. (I’m nearly 20 years older.) But her benign grannyesque appearance belies her heartlessness, if not her ignorance (as per remarks concerning how a couple of hours’ work would make up for the UC cut).
wewereliars · 06/10/2021 21:46

I don't know about benign, she reminds me of kathy Bates in Misery!

I think I have heard her speak too often! Hence my " modest proposal" reference. Vile vile vile

DrBlackbird · 06/10/2021 22:12

Well you are all braver than I as I could not bring myself to either listen to Johnson or even listen to a summary of that - IMO - racist misogynist narcissist lazy sociopath’s speech.

In the last 30 years an ever-growing proportion of British women have been ‘incentivised’ or socially gestapoed into the workplace, on what seems to me to be the dubious assumption that the harder a woman works the happier she will be, when I am not sure that is true of women or anyone else

He was really talking about himself there, wasn’t he.

Menomadness · 07/10/2021 01:20

I am utterly baffled how we haven't taken to the streets too! Especially our younger generation who are so, so undervalued and get the blame for everything.
Our prime minister is an absolute naked emperor with a cabinet full of fake cloak admirers!
( although I agree with whoever said they didn't like Rishi aka smiling assassin as he is known in our house)
I can't see it being too long until the inner circle are getting the cluedo board out and the PM is the victim.
Location: the very expensive new media room or in the gold wallpaper room
Motive : bitter, batter, burger, butter beaver and being a dick!

Culprit: List is way too long to narrow it down
Weapon: gas waiting to be lit 🔥 at next public broadcast.
Seriously though this week has done me with the sycophantic cheering, the total shift shaping and the absolute lack of care for people, business and community.
P.s dreading the foodbank referrals I will get this month. I don't know how people are going to manage the winter.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 07/10/2021 07:19

@Menomadness Agreed. I always think of Johnson in terms of the emperors new clothes tale. They think if they say stuff enough that people will believe it to be so. I find this more alarming than anything, like some sort of behavioural scientist is advising them how to spin messages to trick the public. We can all see empty shelves and queues for petrol but then the government says this is not happening and believe it to be so. Really, really, weird and bloody disturbing.

Peregrina · 07/10/2021 07:27

I saw one commentator, sorry I don't remember who, say that the Emperors new clothes trick won't lead to a sudden revelation that he's naked, because we all knew that already.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 07/10/2021 08:06

Boss of Iceland today on R4 was simulataneously trying to defend the government and Brexit, whilst tearing them apart, saying how much the situation was costing businesses and how it would lead to sharp inflation. He listed various shortages. Mentioned the withdrawal of the UC uplift.

It was fascinating to listen to him attempt to do both.

Menomadness · 07/10/2021 08:21

@SilverGlitterBaubles
Absolutely! It is both odd and disturbing. Luckily we swerved the suggestion that the kids would sing that rubbish song each day.... well for now anyway.

vera99 · 07/10/2021 08:49

Ah well who needs chip factories anyway we have the best chippies in the world Angry

BUILD BACK BATTER

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58820599

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DrBlackbird · 07/10/2021 09:02

Howard Davies, NatWest Group Chairman and former chair of the FSA told the BBC’s Today programme that paying people more without increasing productivity would drive up inflation. (Poorer households are already experiencing inflation with energy price increases)

To achieve productivity gains, he tells us that more investment is needed.

But apparently the UK invests less than any other European country apart from Greece. He attributes this lack of investment in the past five years because of business uncertainty around the new trading relationship with the EU i.e. Brexit.

Ok, now we have the certainty will investment go up?

If we go back further than 5 years, do we see any of that investment? No, not really. Instead of investing domestically, UK businesses took advantage of wage and labour arbitrage and rushed to offshores.

So Rishi says that there will be huge tax incentives now.
Will that fix the problem? Hmm. Tories.
I thought we were all to rely on markets to fix any problem. Strangely interventionist of them.
Oddly European of them.

And which businesses will be able to commit the millions of pounds to investing in technology, machinery and retraining labour? Another hmm… Conglomerates… those owned by private equity funds (though they don’t tend to ‘invest’)… Not so much SMEs all of which have been badly hit by the pandemic.

Partly this is Dom’s vision (Cummings, not Raab) filtering through. Perhaps Johnson cribbed it simply because it is a great distraction from what’s currently happening to point to some glorious as yet ill defined and unknown future.

Also, I think it’s a cunning plan to talk about upskilling and investment and retraining as a way of pretending that this was the plan all along and to distract us from the reality of how UK Plc counted on hard working immigrant workers. Johnson does not want to talk about EU workers any more and will say anything, anything at all to pretend that we do not need them. Otherwise, what was the point of Brexit??

The end result is that we know that we’re in serious trouble when the conservative / Tory supported Adam Smith Institute calls Johnson economically illiterate and nothing is being done to address the current crisis in front of us.

borntobequiet · 07/10/2021 09:31

[quote vera99]Ah well who needs chip factories anyway we have the best chippies in the world Angry

BUILD BACK BATTER

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58820599[/quote]
www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/build-back-bollocks-six-other-alliterative-slogans-the-fat-prick-could-have-used-20211007212790

Penfield · 07/10/2021 09:40

*Yes, they are vile, the whole self serving lot.

What they are genius at is turning people against each other , which lets them off the hook. I am hoping this sleight has a shelf life.

Maybe this is the quiet before the storm and revolution is on the way, people seem to be dazed at the moment.

We need anger, we are going to have to save ourselves, the mainstream media is nothing but government, propaganda and bread and circuses and the opposition is AWOL.*

I read this thread for peace of mind/some sanity.

The above seems spot on to me and I hope so much it comes true. I'm not religious, but I will pray for this. It seems like the only power we have left.

DuncinToffee · 07/10/2021 10:29

And more depressing news, on top of rising energy bills, council tax may need to rise by up to 5% a year for the next three years.

vera99 · 07/10/2021 10:41

Well it would seem the only people who liked Johnson's conference 'speech' (though it was more of a comedy 'turn' though sadly not funny) were twats and it seems that we don't currently have a shortage of those.

Owen Jones had a conference pass and managed to doorstep a number of ministers in the video that accompanies his article. Worth a watch.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/07/shapeshifting-tories-labour-fights-among-itself

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vera99 · 07/10/2021 11:11

This is apparently real whatever Bumble is. Brace yourselves if eating and no doubt Sarah Vine is having a schadenfreude chuckle.

www.joe.co.uk/politics/michael-gove-has-been-spotted-on-bumble-in-manchester-292481?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=JOE.co.uk&utm_campaign=feed

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vera99 · 07/10/2021 11:19

It's worse than you can ever imagine and it's only just begun. That's what the stupid fuckers have done to us.

Britain is discovering, the hard way, that us “alarmists” were right when we warned that leaving the EU would make Britain a permanently poorer country, incredibly swiftly and severely. This is what it means to be one. All those gentle accountants on Haverstock Hill rioting over…gas. The army distributing it, like in some banana republic. The average person unable to get basics — queuing up for hours. And all this is just the beginning.
Because Britain’s infantile, fatuous government is busily offending the EU as fast and hard as it can, which will lead to sanctions. That supply shock Britain’s already suffering will explode. The lights will go off — and then the chaos will really begin.
It doesn’t look pretty. The question, then, I guess, is this. How much longer are Brits going to pretend that they didn’t just make the biggest mistake in modern history?

eand.co/this-is-the-brutal-reality-of-brexit-1639c6c5e653

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DuncinToffee · 07/10/2021 11:37

Soon the 'but this is not the brexit I voted for' will become the new 'but Jeremy Corbyn'

AdaHopper · 07/10/2021 11:54

[quote vera99]Ah well who needs chip factories anyway we have the best chippies in the world Angry

BUILD BACK BATTER

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58820599[/quote]
Sorry, but you don't 😉. Chips are Belgian and we have the best chippies in the world.

You are very welcome to come over and try them. You can fill up on fuel and turkey while tou are here.

vera99 · 07/10/2021 12:10

Time for British farmers to start blockading the motorways - the government isn't listening to anything else.

www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/french-farmers-protest-to-give-first-warning-to-government/

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TheABC · 07/10/2021 13:24

@DuncinToffee

And more depressing news, on top of rising energy bills, council tax may need to rise by up to 5% a year for the next three years.
Council tax rises will be going up every year from now on, @DuncinToffee.

Councils simply don't have enough money (thank you, central government!) and the needs of our ageing population are really starting to bite home for things like social care.

It's all very well for the Tories to preach self-reliance on family over state, but it does not work when both partners need to work to pay the rent, the state pension age has gone up (over 50's women are the biggest group of carers) and the carer's allowance is a miserable joke.