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Brexit Megathread - Part 1 because it's not over by a long shot

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vera99 · 22/09/2021 19:41

Started a new thread for all things Brexity as the last generic dumping ground reached its 1000 post limit. As this developing shitshow unfolds it's going to be important to share and unload. Clav of course will punt a contrarian view along with unrepentant 'taking back control' so-called Brexiteers. I look forward to seeing the benefits.

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LouiseCollins28 · 07/10/2021 18:16

.....and like clockwork, somebody attempts to identify me as "priviledged"...just as I expected they would.

Agree totally with those saying we "see life through our own experience". Naturally follows that blaming somebody for their good fortune (or expecting them to feel guilty about it) is as bad a blaming someone else for their ill fortune, isn't it?

Agree 100% with pointy "Until you've lived that life, you're clueless."

Also agree

wewereliars · 07/10/2021 18:27

Louisecollins28 Have you actually read what has been posted? No one has "blamed" anyone for their good fortune.

In fact most posters, including me, recognise that they are fortunate.

dontcallmelen · 07/10/2021 19:14

@vera99

Thanks it's the least I can do but Nextdoor is so toxic. It's kicking off over doctor's appointments now blaming the doctors, not the tories. There is a whole cohort who will refuse to see Brexit/Tory corruption and incompetence. Am staying off there now except for local advice of where to get paving slabs or the like.
This 100 times over, I’m on it as well can be really very depressing I don’t think I’m that far from you vera also south east London. I spent most of my working life working for homeless charity it makes me weep that we are driving more & more people into poverty/hopelessness preying on the vulnerable/sick/ due to ideology & so many simply just not giving a fuck agree with pp why aren’t we are on the streets demanding this madness stops it’s actually keeping me awake at night now.
LouiseCollins28 · 07/10/2021 19:27

wewereliars sorry yes, for clarity i was saying the presentation was doing that, not posters on the thread. Absolutely they haven't.

vera99 · 07/10/2021 19:36

Got a nice PM back .....

Thanks for support

This racists problem exist in every country, I guess it has to do with luck of education.
I personally don’t care who is of what nationality but what kind of people they are.

I am living and paying taxes in this country for past 21 years and I am U.K. citizen and yes I can criticise this government if I want.

I got more English friends here then Serbs where I coming from.
My wife is English born in Kilburn and my kids are born here.
But racist comments if I hear it usually comes from people who probably don’t know what is bordering country to the Wales.

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Dreamstate · 07/10/2021 19:57

@vera99

I'm on Nextdoor where there are still fuel shortages in our area. One EU sounding name had the temerity to suggest Brexit was part of the problem. Push back by the mob all blaming selfish folk never the government and suggesting if they didn't like it here they could go home.

I'm a coward but PMd him ....

"Fuck those Brexit boneheads Igor you spoke the truth. A native born Brit here who welcomes all those hard-working Europeans who have made this your home. Thanks to you and all like you who have worked so hard. Don't let those stupid racists get to you. "

Well Brexit isn't the reason for the fuel shortage, its been reported quite a few times that leaking a meeting where only BP had a problem with 6 stations combined with media coverage has caused panic buying.
wewereliars · 07/10/2021 20:04

Yes Dreamstate It's all going tickety boo with the Brexit

vera99 · 07/10/2021 20:19

As it wasn't a court of law and I wasn't under oath and this chap had the temerity to suggest there weren't queueing for fuel in other European countries and the nice Brit suggested well if he didn't like it here he was welcome to return I took that as a sign of the Brexit spirit.

Hence my reference to Brexit in the PM and as an act of solidarity to a fellow hard-working citizen who has been effectively told to fuck off back to where they came from.

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wewereliars · 07/10/2021 20:29

Actually I read something today which was to the effect of in the 3 week period up to the Thursday when it all kicked off, petrol supplies were the lowest on record.

The "panic buying" trope was the usual Tory " big boys did it and ran away" bullshit deflection from their Brexit clusterfuck you're welcome

HannibalHayeski · 07/10/2021 20:35

It turns out that Petrol Stations were letting their stocks run low in readiness for the governments perfectly timed introduction of the "greener" petrol.

Lack of drivers - Brexshit. Low stocks of petrol - the government not having a fucking clue...

AuldAlliance · 07/10/2021 20:46

Admittedly, I am totally exhausted, but I just can't get my head round the panic buying trope.

Panic buying extra pasta/bog roll and storing it up because you fear a shortage, but thereby contributing to creating that shortage. I can understand this concept.

Or panic buying pasta/bog roll because there's already a shortage, but thereby exacerbating the existing shortage. I get that idea.

But if there is no shortage of petrol, WTF are all the panic buyers doing with the excess petrol they've panic bought over the last fortnight?

Are they all suddenly driving extra miles in a big panic?
Are they hoarding huge tanks of panic petrol somewhere?
Are they filling up and then using the tankful by queuing endlessly at the next petrol station in a panic?

wewereliars · 07/10/2021 20:52

I did have a panic to be honest, I thought, how the fuck do I get my daughter to school if I run out of petrol, as the petrol stations near me were all empty for over a week.

Not quite the panic buying that Tory " blame them not us" were implying.I'm sure that was the flavour of panic actually happening.

vera99 · 07/10/2021 21:05

When I saw this coming the day before the panic I was half full and thought might as well fill up. Which I did - a white van man who obviously needed his van for his job filled up his van and two larger army-style jerry cans of fuel. From his perspective that was a highly rational decision - he needed to work had calculated there might be a run and had taken precaution in advance. I had to queue for about 5 minutes at that point but 2/3 of the customers were working vans.

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prettybird · 07/10/2021 21:05

I think that the shortages arose because JIT deliveries means that a few missed deliveries which came first or even a slight variation in demand (triggered by the warnings of potential missed deliveries Confused) resulted in the shortages - which then cascaded into real shortages and panic buying .

The "slight increase in demand" was a simple as more people "topping up" before they usually would. It wasn't the people who filled up from empty in their normal pattern of purchase Hmm

XingMing · 07/10/2021 21:12

Now everyone has refuelled in our rural area, there are no queues for anything. Everyone over the age of 17 needs a driving license to get around. Buses are sh1te, because they never serve the areas that need service. But that isn't going to change, ever, so just learn to drive. And if you like driving, get an HGV license. And please, don't try to think a 40 foot articulated lorry is going to fit down a Cornish lane, even if Google Maps says it's possible. It isn't.

DuncinToffee · 07/10/2021 21:27

The USA on Northern Ireland
Exc: Jake Sullivan, US national security adviser, has warned the British government that suspending the Northern Ireland protocol to the Brexit deal would be a “serious risk to stability” and “of serious concern to the United States”.
twitter.com/BBCJLandale/status/1446206325252296710?t=-wIT0C6xY01EYzT2IlaoBQ&s=19

vera99 · 07/10/2021 21:33

Just keyed up a part 2 as it looks like it will be needed.

Special place in Hell

Michel's outspoken predecessor, Donald Tusk, sparked fury in Britain when he said there would be a "special place in hell" for "those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely".

But his February 2019 comments struck a chord with critics who accused the British government of having little idea how to implement the divisive result.

Downing Street said at the time that Tusk should ask himself "whether he considers the use of that kind of language helpful".

Former Brexit negotiator Guy Verhofstadt later tweeted he doubted Brexiteers would get a warm welcome from the devil because "after what they did to Britain, they would even manage to divide hell".

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Peregrina · 07/10/2021 21:44

From his perspective that was a highly rational decision - he needed to work had calculated there might be a run and had taken precaution in advance.

Indeed so. If the Government won't take any responsibility then we will take responsibility for ourselves. I used to wait until I had a quarter of a tank and then fill up to 3/4. Now I am filling up at 1/2. In total this only means that I have put a quarter of a tank in sooner than I would have done, once. But if everyone does this, it could lead to shortages.

I called in at Sainsbury's this evening. Their petrol station seemed to have petrol, I came out half an hour later and it was all coned off.

Peregrina · 07/10/2021 21:48

Everyone over the age of 17 needs a driving license to get around.

This was the same for me, 53 years ago in the Peak District. I don't live there now, but I know it hasn't improved. However, when I went to University in the South East the Londoners mostly didn't drive - no need.

DrBlackbird · 08/10/2021 00:02

vera99 can we expect a new Brexit Megathread? This one filled quickly as there are so many unicorns in the sunlit uplands.

prettybird · 08/10/2021 00:04

@DrBlackbird - it's already been started Grin

prettybird · 08/10/2021 00:04

New thread

Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm2016/4369248-Brexit-Megathread-Part-2-because-its-not-over-by-a-long-shot

mathanxiety · 08/10/2021 01:59

AllIed to this, is the English ( and I think it IS english, not British, I am Welsh so see a difference) keeness to doff their caps to a posh accent, be intimated and impressed by it NO MATTER WHAT BOLLOCKS IS BEING SPOKEN.

I really think the English love affair with a posh accent and its attendant privilege is what has ruined the UK.

Amen to that, @wewereliars

mathanxiety · 08/10/2021 02:25

@LouiseCollins28

Presenting the "privileged" character Richard in the worst light possible and the "less priviledged" Paula as severely lacking in agency (which might or might not be true) is an interesting take.

What I find most interesting is that, in common with so many other dichotomous "the priviledged/wealthy are evil - boo!" type presentations is says absolutely nothing to anyone who's lives might be 'part Richard' and 'part Paula'.

I completely disagree that Paula is portrayed as someone severely lacking in agency. She goes to school. She gets decent grades. She gets a job in a restaurant kitchen. She applies for a loan. She finds herself in a position many, many women find themselves in - caring for a relative. She does not enjoy the kind of success that diligence in school and willingness to work are supposed to bring.

The point of the cartoon is to highlight how the privileged eventually come to see themselves as products of a meritocracy.
It questions meritocracy itself and highlights the way the concept of merit carries with it the concept of 'undeserving'. Those who fall into the trap of believing they live in a meritocracy are predisposed to see everyone's condition or situation, good or bad, as deserved.

The cartoon doesn't have to address the situation of others along the spectrum from Richard to Paula.
Meritocracy is the target. Not individuals or the classes they symbolize.

press.princeton.edu/ideas/a-belief-in-meritocracy-is-not-only-false-its-bad-for-you
In addition to being false, a growing body of research in psychology and neuroscience suggests that believing in meritocracy makes people more selfish, less self-critical and even more prone to acting in discriminatory ways. Meritocracy is not only wrong; it’s bad...

...Meritocracy is a false and not very salutary belief. As with any ideology, part of its draw is that it justifies the status quo, explaining why people belong where they happen to be in the social order. It is a well-established psychological principle that people prefer to believe that the world is just.

However, in addition to legitimation, meritocracy also offers flattery. Where success is determined by merit, each win can be viewed as a reflection of one’s own virtue and worth. Meritocracy is the most self-congratulatory of distribution principles. Its ideological alchemy transmutes property into praise, material inequality into personal superiority. It licenses the rich and powerful to view themselves as productive geniuses. While this effect is most spectacular among the elite, nearly any accomplishment can be viewed through meritocratic eyes. Graduating from high school, artistic success or simply having money can all be seen as evidence of talent and effort. By the same token, worldly failures becomes signs of personal defects, providing a reason why those at the bottom of the social hierarchy deserve to remain there.

This is why debates over the extent to which particular individuals are ‘self-made’ and over the effects of various forms of ‘privilege’ can get so hot-tempered. These arguments are not just about who gets to have what; it’s about how much ‘credit’ people can take for what they have, about what their successes allow them to believe about their inner qualities. That is why, under the assumption of meritocracy, the very notion that personal success is the result of ‘luck’ can be insulting. To acknowledge the influence of external factors seems to downplay or deny the existence of individual merit.

Despite the moral assurance and personal flattery that meritocracy offers to the successful, it ought to be abandoned both as a belief about how the world works and as a general social ideal. It’s false, and believing in it encourages selfishness, discrimination and indifference to the plight of the unfortunate.

Ever heard of the Prosperity Gospel?
It's another version of the backward logic of meritocracy, this time with God thrown in.

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