Seriously??? You left. Deal with it.

[LookItsMeAgain]

I'm getting seriously ticked off day by day by the UK government wanting X or Y or Z which were and are benefits of actually being part of the EU but not wanting to be part of the EU.

Today on BBC Breakfast in the news it's easier travel movement within the EU. Digital certificates to prove that you've been vaccinated has goes live today for all EU countries and lo and behold the UK wants it's piece of the pie and to be part of the easier travel movements.

Well....no. You left the EU. You're not part of it anymore. You don't get to enjoy the benefits of easier travel just because...you join the other countries that are not part of the EU and take your place in the queue.

Or

You rejoin the EU and play your part in these decisions and be a grown up.

It's just sooooo frustrating.

[Arbadacarba]

Yes, I agree. Why are people surprised? OK, no one could've foreseen the pandemic, but any warnings about post-Brexit travel were dismissed as 'Project Fear'.

See also: fishing, the Northern Irish border, customs charges when buying from the EU, etc, etc.

[Fnib]

We know And most of us didn't vote for it.

[Alannawhorideslikeaman]

I do agree completely, the EU doesn't owe us anything! We are now competition, not part of the group. I have no idea why people think they should be friendly to us.

However, have some sympathy for the 48+million who desperately didn't want this. I feel like I've been cut adrift and my home burned down. Anything that makes it easier for me to travel and visit the European mainland I want so for this issue in particular I'm praying something can be agreed on.

[bongsuhan]

It's because there are not allowed to be any benefits to being in the EU according to Brexiter logic. If there had been a discussion of possible benefits to membership, well - people might not have voted to leave.

Therefore, anything that turns out to be worse after leaving the EU must be "unreasonable" and "punishment by the EU" rather than a simple loss of the benefits of membership.

[zoemum2006]

What I hate is that it was sold as 'staying the the single market/ everybody keeping their rights/ no downsides'.

After the referendum is was 'of course you're going to lose X,Y,Z everybody knew that'.

It's been such a con job and it's so frustrating they were allowed to get away with it because they were honouring the 'will of the people' when all the pre-referendum talk didn't even vaguely resemble what's happened.

[PurBal]

@Fnib

We know And most of us didn't vote for it.

I mean, leaving the EU was literally the result of the referendum.
But yeah, I agree OP. I don't understand why people thought free movement would remain the same afterwards left.

[grapewine]

Absolutely agree.

[Fnib]

@PurBal Yes, of the people who voted, more voted to leave. I know this. But, the 'us' was those among us were too young/unable to to vote (despite being impacted by the result)

[grapewine]

After the referendum is was 'of course you're going to lose X,Y,Z everybody knew that'.

People should have known. It's not rocket science to work out that you won't have the same advantages as member states when you are no longer a member state.

[Secret12345]

I live in France. I had my second vaccine on Tuesday and received my digital passport then. Have a paper copy too and it’s been uploaded to my touscovid app and is available to download any time I want on my online health profile log in. My 2 DCs (young teens) have also had their first vaccine. Im looking forward to travelling!!

[AgnesNaismith]

I guess no one was expecting a pandemic following Brexit.

Negotiations on vaccine passports would benefit the EU given that a lot of resorts rely on our money. We have plenty of beautiful places here though and could probably do with the staycation injection of cash to boost the economy. Given that we have a fair amount it may well be a win win.

[RainingZen]

Yes, I agree. We chose to leave. We can't expect a) to be at the front of the queue when decisions are made or b) to have preferential treatment.

It's that simple. The UK is being unreasonable. However that won't stop the Tories bleating on and feigning surprise that the EU are not playing nicely.

[LookItsMeAgain]

@Alannawhorideslikeaman

I do agree completely, the EU doesn't owe us anything! We are now competition, not part of the group. I have no idea why people think they should be friendly to us.

However, have some sympathy for the 48+million who desperately didn't want this. I feel like I've been cut adrift and my home burned down. Anything that makes it easier for me to travel and visit the European mainland I want so for this issue in particular I'm praying something can be agreed on.

Eh....nope...it is democracy in action here.
One of my siblings emigrated to the UK over 30 years ago and is very pro-EU and is gutted by the decision but is learning to have to live with it...oh and they renewed their lovely burgundy Irish (let me travel through the blue EU lane when travelling) passport.

All I can suggest is for you to research your family tree to find out if you have any grandparents who were born in remaining EU member states and see if you can apply for a passport for that country.

[m0therofdragons]

Erm, so eu doesn’t want uk holiday makers? We have an app that clearly shows if you’re vaccinated but the eu want a more consistent, easy to read certificate. Makes sense so why wouldn’t other countries look to get on board? We’re not eu but still in Europe the continent (as are other countries). (FYI I voted remain but that hasn’t happened, that didn’t mean we never want to speak to any eu countries ever again)

[ineedaholidaynow]

I can’t believe people voted to leave and thought we could still have benefits from the EU. Why would we?

[LookItsMeAgain]

@m0therofdragons - where did I say that?

[Greenrubber]

@Fnib

Most of us obviously did vote for it?
Or do you think there is some sort of conspiracy thatakes us think we live in a democracy when actually we don't?

I didn't vote just so you know as I didn't feel well enough informed

But we did vote for brexit so let's stop moaning about it and get on with it

[LookItsMeAgain]

The news story today reads as though the UK still want to be able to avail of the Blue channel travel freedoms that come with being a member of the EU, but you're not part of the EU anymore. At least that's the story that I picked up from it.

[Inastatus]

So are you saying the Govt should just give up and not try to negotiate any deals with the EU? We are still part of Europe and can still talk to EU countries.

[LarryTheLurker]

Five years on and still they whine. The benefit of Brexit was no longer having to be ruled from Brussels by unelected foreigners - please don't anybody mention the powerless, joke European 'Parliament', the Commission is in charge. The easier travel that was stopped was that of EU economic migrants coming here, which was what we wanted. It's a bit harder for Brits to travel to EU member states now? So what.

As for 'the 48+million who desperately didn't want this', you have got a nerve rolling up abstentions and children into the remain vote, but I suppose if it makes your loss easier to bear....

We're out, though with lots of loose ends still to be tied up and the consequences of the EU's pathetic vindictiveness - do I really need to remind you of the attempted blockade of Jersey, the threats to our electricity imports, the outrageous way the EU tried both to undermine our vaccine while trying to steal supplies it hadn't paid for, not to mention the threat to the GFA that is the weaponised NI Protocol? - needing to be dealt with.

There will be no going back, mostly because Brexit will be seen on balance to be a great success, but also because the corrupt, anti-democratic EU will not exist in ten years.

[CryingAtTheDiscotheque]

Five years on and still they whine

What a charmless post. I'll never stop "whining", btw.

[Fnib]

@Greenrubber no, not some conspiracy. Simply that lots of people didn't vote for various reasons. Being too young or not British enough despite having residency for example. Or being British but having lost the right to vote by dint of living elsewhere.
So if you take the population as a whole, and including people like you who didn't vote even though you presumably could have done, more people didn't vote for Brexit than did.
But yes, of those who could and did vote, more voted Leave, and thus, the way our voting system works, 'we' did vote for it.
But it doesn't mean that a lot of us are happy about it. So I tend to agree with @LookItsMeAgain. We got what 'we' voted for. It seems so obvious to me that if you leave a 'club' of sorts, you lose out on the benefit. Yet so many are shocked about that, and are blaming the EU.

[thecatsatonthewall]

@Inastatus

So are you saying the Govt should just give up and not try to negotiate any deals with the EU? We are still part of Europe and can still talk to EU countries.

Well, the evidence is we don't want to talk to the EU, we pulled out of the EHIC scheme (just to be able to re name it) Erasmus and were asked if we wanted to be part of the vaccination passport scheme and said no.

The issues with NI can be solved if we agree to EU standards on food and a veterinary scheme - which is what Switzerland has with the EU but again its a big fat NO.

Why are these things ok for other non EU countries but not the UK?

[Mabelene]

Oh that’s the best laugh I’ve had in ages, — brexit will be seen to be a great success

Thanks for that @LarryTheLurker, I needed a laugh this morning 🤣

[thecatsatonthewall]

We're out, though with lots of loose ends still to be tied up and the consequences of the EU's pathetic vindictiveness - do I really need to remind you of the attempted blockade of Jersey, the threats to our electricity imports, the outrageous way the EU tried both to undermine our vaccine while trying to steal supplies it hadn't paid for, not to mention the threat to the GFA that is the weaponised NI Protocol?

None of which happened and were countered with the UKs own threats! Both sides were childish.

Boris signed the NIP but is now whining about its implementation, which begs the question "why did he sign it?"

Legal documents tend to be just that - Legal, with little room if any for misinterpretation.