Seriously??? You left. Deal with it.

[LookItsMeAgain]

I'm getting seriously ticked off day by day by the UK government wanting X or Y or Z which were and are benefits of actually being part of the EU but not wanting to be part of the EU.

Today on BBC Breakfast in the news it's easier travel movement within the EU. Digital certificates to prove that you've been vaccinated has goes live today for all EU countries and lo and behold the UK wants it's piece of the pie and to be part of the easier travel movements.

Well....no. You left the EU. You're not part of it anymore. You don't get to enjoy the benefits of easier travel just because...you join the other countries that are not part of the EU and take your place in the queue.

Or

You rejoin the EU and play your part in these decisions and be a grown up.

It's just sooooo frustrating.

@thecatsatonthewall - apologies I just realised you said it was the UK who is ahead of the game but Europe is opening up more widely and travelling etc. I don’t think that situation will last for long once Delta hits.

The vaccination situation in Europe is often described as disastrous compared to the UK but that's just not true. It depends on the context. In Italy for example, at one stage recently, more vaccinations had been given than in the UK- but that didn't fit the narrative. I also don't think tourism from the UK is so important this year. So many people are staying at home that they can fill the demand from domestic tourists. We booked our holiday months ago in Italy and we are currently on the beach! The resorts are very busy.

Can I try probably in vain to get this thread back on topic. It wasn't one about how well the UK has rolled out its vaccines or about Boris or any one particular politician, it was to do with how it seems to be suddenly dawning on the politicians currently in government that easy travel to other European countries will not be so easy any more. IT's about how, now that it's dawned on them that this will be the case they want to get the benefits of this easier travel but not be part of the group that came to the arrangements to allow this easier travel.

It's like the UK was a member of a sports club that has a lovely swimming pool and they have been paying membership to be able to use the swimming pool as have other members. They have decided they don't want to be a member of the sports club so aren't paying their membership but they still want access to the changing rooms and the pool and the steam room and the sauna.
That's the analogy I am currently coming up with.

Politicians are supposed to seek out the best deal for their citizens. As such the referendum shouldn't have been offered on this topic. That's the type of decision they are paid to make.

On a population front, we have been in the EU for a long time. Many 'British' people have extensive European history. Leaving the EU doesn't erase that.

What Brexit has done, in both directions, is highlighted significant xenophobia. If British money is irrelevant, fair enough. The world is a very big place. It is just such a shame for the families across borders.

Everyone had an equal vote - it doesn't really matter where people are from or where they live

Unless you were one of the several million British people who were deliberately disenfranchised.

BTW I live in Europe and was double jabbed before my sister in the UK.

Well said @keflavikairport!

Everyone had an equal vote - it doesn't really matter where people are from or where they live
Pretty annoying to read this as one of those people who actually didn't have a vote precisely because of where I live.

Where do you live Sometimesonly

Italy

My comment was referring to domestic voters within each UK nation, but I do agree that all stakeholders ought to have been given a vote.

Some EU countries need the UK holiday trade because their economies rely on the tourist money.
Vaccination passports are not part of us leaving the EU. It's not about freedom of movement, it's recognising that the vast majority of UK adults have been vaccinated. Unlike those in the EU.

Vaccination rates differ a lot within the EU. The UK is not actually at the top of the vaccination league. Plus the variant is more prevalent in the UK at the moment.

My comment was referring to domestic voters within each UK nation, but I do agree that all stakeholders ought to have been given a vote.
Ah, I see. Sorry I didn't read the context. I agree with you.

Why do you think that non British citizens should be given a vote on something that affects Britain. As far as I know, no country allows non citizens to vote. And people who have chosen to live in another country for a long time should be able to vote? Really?
Which other EU country has vaccinated a greater proportion of it's citizens than the UK?

Why do you think that non British citizens should be given a vote on something that affects Britain
Something that affects British citizens not just Britain. Do I have to abide by the changed rules on FOM or am I exempt? Obviously I should have a vote. It is not democratic to deny a vote to people whose cirizenship is directly affected. A lot maybe most countries allow overseas citizens to vote btw, it's not an unusual practice.

Which other EU country has vaccinated a greater proportion of it's citizens than the UK?
Let me google that for you.
www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/

And people who have chosen to live in another country for a long time should be able to vote? Really?

May I suggest that you start checking your facts before making the comment 'Really' as though it's an absurd suggestion?

We might ask why Commonwealth citizens were allowed to vote in the Referendum. You could say that by virtue of living here it affected them, which is fine. You then got the situation that some EU citizens were able to vote by being citizens of the two Commonwealth countries which are members. Plus Irish Citizens also by virtue of historic treaties.

So we let some EU citizens vote - by accident as it were.

As far as I know, no country allows non citizens to vote.

Except ourselves for Irish and Commonwealth citizens resident here? Or had you forgotten them?

I agree leaving the EU was a UK decision to control our boarders. Just as the pandemic hit it was an ideal opportunity to take advantage of these new freedoms. But of course Boris failed to take advantage. And this comes from a leaver who is pleased we left and accept we are a third party country.

It seems to me though that the EU and individual countries within the EU have very different ideas.

@Sometimesonly

Vaccination rates differ a lot within the EU. The UK is not actually at the top of the vaccination league. Plus the variant is more prevalent in the UK at the moment.

Really? www.statista.com/statistics/1196091/covid-19-vaccination-doses-in-europe-by-country/

Or everyone could come to an adult compromise that benefits everyone in the long run when we're trying to come out of a global pandemic instead of having a political handbag fight...it doesn't have to be all or nothing

If the EU are going to be awkward two can play at that game. I won't be taking my holiday in an EU country any time soon and avoid buying goods from the EU when I can. It's my small protest against their horrible behaviour. They are like a scorned spouse. Pathetic. More glad than ever I voted out.

Try being Scottish. We overwhelming voted to stay. And we didn't vote for the tories either. Its like we're being punished for having something we didn't want forced on us anyway. For feckin years.

It's the remainers who are whining, like OP. I voted to leave, happy we left, and if there are any minor inconveniences, c'est la vie

@Viviennemary

If the EU are going to be awkward two can play at that game. I won't be taking my holiday in an EU country any time soon and avoid buying goods from the EU when I can. It's my small protest against their horrible behaviour. They are like a scorned spouse. Pathetic. More glad than ever I voted out.

Your petulant ignorant post says it all.

Id be laughing if it wasn't so serious.