Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

[pointythings]

Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

... Aviation Standards - UK Standards have been one of the highest for quite some time and dragged up many EU Countries lesser Standards because of it's membership.

Agriculture is not my field, aviation from manufacturing through to flying certainly was and in these areas you are wrong.

So what if I'm 'rambling' - unless you mean I'm losing 'it' mentally rather than Rambling with a capital R - either way a bit Rambling whether physically or mentally is a good thing - as long as you don't upset the sheep.

None of us can be certain what will happen, most hope for the best, some hope for the worst and some still wish it never happened.

Despite my descriptives of "hope" and "wish" I do think that it will turn out ok and am aware that most here wish that it wouldn't.

Why would anyone wish for things to go badly in a country they and theirs live in? When asked for solid evidence of a benefit of Brexit this your answer? Absolutely pitiful.

Most here want to see the best for our country, but remember the old saying that 'To fail to prepare, is to prepare to fail.' We see this in abundance - sound bites are not plans.

A plan should have been made to accommodate the GFA for a starter. May at least did realise this; the ERG and de Pfeffle wanted none of her plans. I have read that by agreeing that phytosanitary agreements will remain aligned with the EU many of NI's problems will disappear. But Johnson and chums don't want this; they want to blather on about being sovereign.

Well you already know all I wanted was a Blue Passport, get my News from Buses and only read the Mail, so I'll pop back again when you're all in a froth about the latest.

Not wanting to be all feelzy but if I had a Cat Pic it would be linked [here]....sadly no Cat, just a Doglet.

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I promise to include cat pictures next week when my lovely rescue cats move in.

But I still prefer to believe in facts. Right now the facts speak for themselves, and I am seeing an increase in empty shelves in supermarkets too.

Pathetic. We wish for the best for our country, which is why we didn't want Brexshit, but all we can see from, you know, actual evidence, is that it's going to shit.

And unlike you, we realise that thinking happy thoughts isn't going to turn it around. But maybe, just maybe, highlighting what an absolutel shit storm it is may encourage enough people to stand up to this government and make just a few of the necessary changes.

The fact that there are still some many people blithely stating confidently that it's all fiiiiiiiiine and all going to get better, without any justification, is what it going to send this country even further down the pan.

The Brexiters very much remind me of some ardent communists I met on a visit to E Europe back in 1983. They declared that Communism was wonderful - six years later it went and totally collapsed.

It's that very same blinkered view of things. I find it so hard to comprehend how people can be that stupid blind.

At least in the communist countries it would have been hard to find true information. That's not an excuse available to the Brexshittiers.

This government has removed its citizens’ rights and freedoms for no tangible benefit to those citizens.

And threatened the Union. Unforgivable.

Sadly a good many of those citizens don't mind having their rights removed - as long as it's doing other people down and not affecting them that's fine. Then suddenly, like the fishermen, they found that it wasn't fine, but it was too late then.

... but we're white !

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/home-office-eu-eea-citizens-marriage-investigations-275783/

The Home Office is ramping up hostility towards EU citizens, requiring additional paperwork, costs and scrutiny for proposed marriages involving them.

The latest HO guidance on “marriage investigations” reveals that from 1 July, EU citizens who do not have EU Settled Status or a pending application submitted before that date, will fall into the sham marriage referral and investigation scheme.

The previous post is a doubly bitter pill for some, given that some Brexiteers have done their best to have an EU spouse ....

and ...

and now EU citizens are going to be hit with the full hostile environment

What a dreadful place the UK has become. But no doubt our resident spanner will love this.

Hostile environment gets even more hostile. So depressing.

So sad for all the EU friends and colleagues who made their home here in good faith.

The reality going forward is that no one in their right mind with desirable skillsets, education and choices will now want to come to this cesspit of racists and misplaced ideas of exceptionalism where ignorance seems to be something to be proud of.

We will sink ever further into irrelevance and become an object of pity.

Well done Brexit morons.

The Brexshittiers must all be so proud of the hostile environment...

I've reverted to an old username. The last couple of years have been full on (lots of personal stuff) so I mostly took a break from these threads.
I still fail to see how brexit can benefit this country. Not because I'm a spiteful remainer/rejoiner who'd rather be right than see the UK prosper! But because I can't see anything improving in the foreseeable future. The conditions aren't there. Times are tough and this government keeps choosing to make things as hard as possible. For what? To pander to a few 10,000s new voters in key constituancies. It's petty.
Regarding EU citizens and hostile environment- i've thankfully not been on the receiving end, being a dual citizen now. However, to all those brexiters saying it's nothing personal... it absolutely IS! The leave vote triggered- at least for me- deep questions about my choices in life, what is home and where I ultimately belong. Yeah, probably midlife crisis too, but the change of status has had and will have huge personal and of course practical implications for all EU nationals here. By the way, taking on a nationality is never a simple process, at any level. I would only accept comments on that subject from people who've actually gone through it themselves.

Our view on this really depends on the kind of society we want to see. If people are covinced that the direction of travel for the UK inside the EU was a positive one, then little is likely to convince those people that the current direction of travel is positive now we've left. The reverse is also true it seems to me.

" If people are covinced that the direction of travel for the UK inside the EU was a positive one, then little is likely to convince those people that the current direction of travel is positive now we've left"

But there are numerous examples that it is not only not positive , it is detrimental. So how can Brexiteers not see it?

Presumably the Brexiters are happy to see the fishing and farming industries destroyed. We will still need to feed ourselves though, so good luck trying to rely on just meat being shipped from Australia.

As for being Global - as a nation the Government has turned on countries that we were in union with for more than 40 years. Which other nation, excepting China perhaps, would want to make treaties with an unreliable partner? China being the exception, which because of its sheer size, would be able to dictate terms.

Johnny Foreigner

David M. Herszenhorn
@herszenhorn
Message just now from handler about Boris Johnson's closing G7 news conference as summit host: "Unfortunately the UK does not accept journalists from foreign outlets" Global Britain. Right.

Merkel will apparently be the first European leader to visit the White House. Johnson is not saying that he's annoyed, but I would be surprised if he wasn't a bit miffed.