Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

[pointythings]

Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

So sad for all the EU friends and colleagues who made their home here in good faith.
I am in the opposite position as a British citizen in the EU (Italy) and I have applied for citizenship here. Yes, the process is long and frustrating but I have been helped at every step of the way, even when I had the wrong documents (my fault). It is also much cheaper than British citizenship and I am so grateful that I am not in the opposite situation. It makes me ashamed to hear how Britain treats people. nowadays. My DH does not even want to visit anymore as he had a really nasty experience with someone from my home village questioning him on his right to be there on holiday (just pre-pandemic). Nastiness breeds nastiness unfortunately and I don't see it changing any time soon.

Louise - do you honestly think the Hostile Environment is a good direction for the country?

Does Windrush meet with your approval?

It's not when you are trying to be Global, that is for certain.

Yes I think a hostile environment towards people who are here illegally is the right response.

@LouiseCollins28

Yes I think a hostile environment towards people who are here illegally is the right response.

Now answer the question you were asked, please.

@Peregrina

Merkel will apparently be the first European leader to visit the White House. Johnson is not saying that he's annoyed, but I would be surprised if he wasn't a bit miffed.

I wonder what Ursulas travel plans are too ...

DGR OK then, yes, I think the hostile environment is a "good directon for the country."

So you approve of Windrush?

All those EU citizens who came here legally and made their lives, their careers, built their families here - it's a good direction for the country to alienate them, charge them obscene amounts just to stay here, make them feel so unwelcome that they want to leave? You honestly think that it the right direction for any country, let alone one claiming to be "global".

I'm sorry, I used to have some respect for you. Now it's clear that you're a horrible person.

I know too little about Windrush to have a strong view on it.

On the one hand, normalising my status in a different country I'd decided to make my home in would be one of the first things I'd seek to do having reached adulthood.

On the other, the government somehow expecting people who'd been here for decades, and paying into the tax system for decades, to "prove" their right to reside/remain every year since 1973 or face the risk of deportation was completely unreasonable. Unsurprisingly it was found to be so in the subsequent review. Very poor from the government.

" I think the hostile environment is a "good directon for the country."

Horrendous statement . I am so ashamed to be part of Little England. Oh well at least I am half Scottish.

I don't know why people are horrified when Brexiteers support the hostile environment. Brexit was about xenophobia. It's like the story of the scorpion and the crocodile - creatures act according to their nature.

I know too little about Windrush to have a strong view on it.
And yet you feel comfortable saying that a hostile environment is good for the country? Can't you see how these are related? I suggest you do some research and then have a good hard look at yourself.

I guess so Pointy. It's just that the more reasonable sounding Brexshitters on here have been trying to make out that they're not xenophobic. I guess that, one by one, their true colours are finally showing.

I got asked a question about the hostile environment and answered it the way I wanted to Then I got told that wasn't an acceptable answer, so I gave another more direct one.

You did. And it showed us exactly what you are.

Again, a hostile environment towards those who are here illegally (which is who the hostile enivironment is aimed at) is right IMO. Your powers of deduction are formidable Hanibal

But it's clearly not just aimed at those! How can that not be obvious to you?

Even if it were, it's still a pretty revolting policy!

Claiming to be "Global Britain" whilst making Little England policy.

Surprised anyone with a shred of decency can support the Hostile Environment policy, its evil.

Led to Windrush, locking up people in awful conditions and even deaths in custody, which the HO tried to hush up by deporting witnesses to potential illegal acts, thereby halting police investigations.

Very bad look for a country which is wanting and very much needed foreign workers to plug holes in our crumbling NHS - not the Tories care about that particular service too much.

You do not need a Hostile policy toward illegal and failed asylum seekers, just compassionate law enforcement plus cooperation with our european neighbours - which isn't happen

@jasjas1973

You do not need a Hostile policy toward illegal and failed asylum seekers, just compassionate law enforcement plus cooperation with our european neighbours - which isn't happen

Very much this!

I'm afraid I think we do need such a policy. If you are happy for illegal immigrants to arrive and stay here then the approach you describe will deliver that outcome Jas. I want that "door" to be open only to those legally entitled to pass through and for those already determined to be here illegally to be removed.

I " want that "door" to be open only to those legally entitled to pass through and for those already determined to be here illegally to be removed."

Very much a duplicate of Yellowspanner. So depressing.

I want that "door" to be open only to those legally entitled to pass through and for those already determined to be here illegally to be removed.

Those already determined to be here illegally, as you say yourself, will be determined despite the hostile environment. They will come here regardless.
Those who very much suffer the brunt of such policy are bi-national families and people of good will who have the misfortune to not necessarily tick all the right boxes or to have a complex situation, which the home office then takes ages to wrap its head around (if ever).

"determined" as a synonym for "judged/found to be" here illegally.
I meant quietrebel

The problem with the hostile environment policy is that it sweeps up people who are in complex situations, people who make honest (and usually minor) mistakes, people who are vulnerable. Now if the Home Office were competent, had speedy and transparent appeals processes in place and acted decently (including immediate apologies!) when it failed, things would not be so bad.

But it does none of these things. And therefore approving of the hostile environment as it currently operates in the UK means that you approve of injustice and incompetence. That isn't a good look.