Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

[pointythings]

Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

[BlackeyedSusan]

Thanks pointy

[Peregrina]

I agree. I was just about to send a PM to Red, but you have started this, so we may as well carry one.

Not a lot seems to be happening - the NI situation seems to be a mess. It's not worth saying who would have thought it, because it was pretty obvious.

[RedToothBrush]

Hi All. Thank you pointy.

I have just posted on another thread, about where I'm now at. During writing it I kind of thought that I'm no longer really contributing here so its time for others to take over.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/4238309-Is-it-time-to-move-on-positively-after-Brexit?pg=5

I want to thank everyone still around for the last 5 years. Its been important. You've kept me company.

But yes as you have noticed my heart isn't really in it anymore. For various reasons. Real life is moving on for me. My toddler is now nearly 7.

And yeah now is the right time for others to continue these threads.

I will try and check in occasionally.

Take care all. I will be lurking!

[thecatsatonthewall]

what a pity the UK is now not a full member of Europol.

international cooperation is so important across so many areas of crime.

[WorriedMutha]

I probably haven't contributed to about the last 5 threads because I've not got anything to add other than to moan and face palm. But I lurk all the time and I really appreciate your incite RTB. Please don't go. I still think that by stealth and numerous side agreements, any sensible Government is going to align us closer to Europe when the gammon have stopped paying attention. This thread is my safe house so don't let it die.

[Peregrina]

Well, two issues which won't go away easily are the Northern Ireland situation and the Scottish Independence issue. Both now entwined with Brexit.

[pointythings]

I'd also add the escalating mistreatment of EU nationals in the UK and worries about what will happen after the deadline for applications for Settled Status passes. Still plenty to talk about, sadly.

[TatianaBis]

Really good article in the Scotsman about new powers Ofcom given by the government.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/ofcoms-mission-creep-is-a-threat-to-our-liberty-and-more-brian-monteith-3262905

As Laura Dodsworth’s book, A State of Fear, explains Ofcom’s role has been effective, but now the UK Government intends to give it more powers so it can now monitor and restrict digital media directly, effectively closing down free speech on the internet it does not like.

Also our government, with Google and others, has funded new media tools to stamp out critical comment worldwide and given them to the heavily CCP-controlled World Health Organisation to use.

It matters not if you are politically left or right, Leave or Rejoin, unionist or nationalist – the administering of such powers for one government over one issue can easily allow a different government over different issues to use precedent to repeat or widen this suffocating embrace.

All delivered by a faceless agency that ministers can park any blame with but never be held accountable for.

[Peregrina]

For me, I agree that we have to move on - but that does not mean that Brexit was ever a good thing. In particular the Brexiters also need to move on - they are totally obsessed with how the EU is apparently slighting them, or alternatively trying to big up potential trade deals with countries literally the other side of the world.

One hopes in time that pragmatism will prevail and I hope WorriedMutha is right that we quietly re-align with the EU where it is our mutual advantage to do so, instead of continuing with this 'cut our noses off to spite our face' malarky.

The newly published boundary proposals for England are interesting. In some cases it looks as though Tory majorities will be secure forever, but in others, some of their new Red Wall seats look vulnerable.

[FatCatThinCat]

Pmk

[TatianaBis]

I think we have a new problem which is that Brexit power grab has morphed into the even more considerable Covid power grab. The economic damage wreaked by both is merging.

So for me the forces that produced Brexit are not done, indeed, are escalating.

[Peregrina]

Eventually though Covid will be brought under control. The Brexiters big boast about how we led with vaccines because we were outside the EU will be a dead issue, and then the smoke will begin to clear.

Which countries are doing well, which industries?

[TatianaBis]

Covid will be brought under control. But the new control laws may not be relinquished. The damage to the economy will now be a double whammy.

[BlackeyedSusan]

Place marking with the Brexit tomatoes.

Thanks red for all the threads so far. I will miss your contributions.


Tag, you're it

[borntobequiet]

Thanks pointy. And multiple thanks, Red.

Farming Today - trade deals - “they want the headline” “there are more than four types of cheese”.

Norway trade deal, wilding National Parks, Scottish pigs

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000wrpj

[RedToothBrush]

I'll be around, but I just don't think I can commit to always being around for new threads and contributing much worthwhile.

Others are doing a better job at that than me now so I think things are taking a natural course.

I think these things should evolve in that way.

[Jason118]

I'll be around, but I just don't think I can commit to always being around for new threads and contributing much worthwhile.

Others are doing a better job at that than me now so I think things are taking a natural course.

I think these things should evolve in that way.

Since I discovered these threads around referendum time, it's been a source of much information and sensible debate (mostly). Thank you @RedToothBrush for all the effort and sheer bloody mindedness keeping these threads not only alive but relevant. Also thanks to the much missed BCF for assistance in times past. Time to step up to the plate people, keep the reasoned debate going.

[HarrietPierce]

Thanks Pointy !

[prettybird]

Chilled out cat this morning.

Thank you for all your threads over the years @RedToothBrush - you've made me radically review my view of Media Studies as a degree Ds as part of his Digital Politics module (for his Politics and International Relations degree) recently wrote an essay on "Do Populism and disinformation decrease productivity increase trust in legacy media" and I thought of you (and these threads ).

[Lonelycrab]

Thanks Pointy for the new thread from a longtime lurker. And raising a glass to Red for your wisdom over all these years, this place has been my go to place for trying to make sense of the shitshow we now are lumbered with.

[dontcallmelen]

PMK, reiterating pp my sincere thanks Red & contributors I lurk as I don’t really have any to add apart from moaning & face palms but these threads have been a little island in the sea of insanity.

[Blacktothepink]

thanks Red

[RedToothBrush]

@prettybird

Chilled out cat this morning.

Thank you for all your threads over the years *@RedToothBrush* - you've made me radically review my view of Media Studies as a degree Ds as part of his Digital Politics module (for his Politics and International Relations degree) recently wrote an essay on "Do Populism and disinformation decrease productivity increase trust in legacy media" and I thought of you (and these threads ).

Thats lovely to hear!

[QueenOfThorns]

Thanks pointy and RTB

Apropos of the thread title, someone told DH (who got his settled status sorted ages ago) that there’s some other form that he also needs to fill in. He said that he was going to ‘contact the Government’ and find out. I have suggested that it would be a very bad idea to put himself on the Home Office’s radar, but I’m not entirely sure that I convinced him...

[mrslaughan]

@TatianaBis

I think we have a new problem which is that Brexit power grab has morphed into the even more considerable Covid power grab. The economic damage wreaked by both is merging.

So for me the forces that produced Brexit are not done, indeed, are escalating.

I fear you are right.
I feel abit like the grim reaper when people say to me it all great - and we'll bounce back...... the fact is we don't have to. There are too many businesses negatively affected by both Brexit abs Covid for things to be rosey.

I am a child of the 70's in NZ - and in fact Johnson reminds me hugely of Muldoon....... it was a very tough time for many many years.

It's grim.