Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

[pointythings]

Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

I also objected to being forced to use commerical labs for the test. If the Government was at all serious about public health they should have made the tests available at cost, preferably by NHS or local authority public health workers. And now about 17 months on from the original Wuhan outbreaks, it's time the Government got itself sorted out.

But de Pfeffle doesn't do sorting out.

@Peregrina

I also objected to being forced to use commerical labs for the test. If the Government was at all serious about public health they should have made the tests available at cost, preferably by NHS or local authority public health workers. And now about 17 months on from the original Wuhan outbreaks, it's time the Government got itself sorted out.

But de Pfeffle doesn't do sorting out.

This Tory government has gutted public health. That was absolutely deliberate, part of their plan to run down the service then sell it off.

They have made zero effort to ramp services back up - not that all that lost local expertise could just have been replaced. If it doesn't make money, they don't care.

Which is why we have to use expensive private test services instead. And still they lead in the polls. Honestly, this country has got the government it deserves.

As an outsider looking in, it does feel like the British public are being somewhat hoodwinked into believing the state of the NHS is down to covid. By that I mean the lack of GP appointments, hospital appointments and regular healthcare needs. All being blamed on covid. But we have covid here too and we still have normal health services services up and running. The way they are being delivered may have been jiggled about abit, but they're all still taking place.

This isn't the impact of covid. This is the impact of having had the tories in government for the last 10 years. Don't let them shift the blame.

Yes the question was never asked% why is the NHS short of £350 million a week? Why has the choice been instead to prioritise Trident or an aircraft carrier? Why have Johnson and Sunak failed to offer health care workers a proper pay rise?

Not that you would have got a sensible answer from the Tories.

Why has the choice been instead to prioritise Trident or an aircraft carrier?

Or the Royal penis extension yacht, or the Festival of stupidity Brexit.

Er, what do you suppose Covax are doing with the £500m plus we've already donated to them? I'm guessing they're buying vaccines

As i said in my earlier post, richer countries have pre ordered vaccines for the foreseeable future, Covax is at the back of the queue, hence why US/UK are saying they will donate x number of vaccines - a v good thing.

I just think its incredibly short sighted and morally wrong of richer countries to vaccinate their own healthy populations at the expense of poorer, less organised ones, whilst at the same time pre order, under strict commercial contracts, to ensure they have priority over future manufacturing runs.

The UK alone has some 400m doses on order or delivered, Canada even took doses meant for Covax!

@pointythings

Why has the choice been instead to prioritise Trident or an aircraft carrier?

Or the Royal penis extension yacht, or the Festival of stupidity Brexit.

Don't get the Yacht, the queen is likely to be dead by the time its built and shipping is the worst polluting means of travel going.

We had a royal yacht in the 50s, 60s and 70s but still the UK declined.

No country, to the best of my knowlege (possibly excepting Israel), has yet completed its vaccine rollout?

I think that to expect UK tax payers as a whole to be even more generous in supporting the certainly vital work of ensuring poorer nations have access vaccines before our rollout had even reached all phase 1 priority groups would have been an unreasonable expecation.

Now the rollout has progressed to the point where the offer is being made to less vulnerable UK citizens, supporting COVAX through provision of currently UK stocked doses or newly purchased doses funded by UK taxpayers is reasonable.

That 500m is coming out of the Foreign aid budget, meaning 500m less for girls education, other vaccine programs, health, water aid....

We are not being more generous at all.

Plus by the time we do actually give out any vaccines, we'd have done everyone in the UK in any case.... PR i'm afraid.

...uk to give 5m doses by "end of September"

According to Sky News
Vaccines:
US to donate 500m to 92 low and middle income countries by end of 2022
UK to donate 100m doses
EU already been exporting vaccines (in contrast to the UK/US). 700m produced. 350m exported to over 90 countries

EU already been exporting vaccines (in contrast to the UK/US). 700m produced. 350m exported to over 90 countries

Nasty nasty EU and its disastrous vaccine roll out Whatever will they do next?

Unfortunately (for the West) China and Russia will vaccinate many poorer countries and use that to increase influence and trade.

www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/south-asia-turns-china-covid-vaccines-after-india-halts-exports

55% of UK adults now fully vaccinated according to BBC news just now. 29m adults have had their second jab.

More travel turmoil.

The testing firms on the government's list for 2 and 8 day testing don't provide tests, and cost twice as much as they say according to Which?...

I wonder how much they donated to the Tory party...

Why am I not surprised?

Trouble brewing in Belfast and marching season starting which won’t help tensions

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/hundreds-march-on-the-shankillat-northern-ireland-protocol-protest-40525386.html

Firstly, great Respect to RTB for producing these threads and moreso for being true to her own mind and declaring so when so many might have just 'disappeared' without any explanation.

I remember being so untrustworthy and cynical of any Govt when I was young, and a bit older and even now I'm oldish, I still am. The difference now is I'm far less likely to blame Big Govt for our 'ills' and more likely to find fault in the roles that many well-paid individuals play in Local Public Governance and how Public Services are distributed.

Shored up by the endeavours and working conditions of the private sector Workers employed on zero or near 'slavery' contracts and T&Cs. This divide would have worsened without Brexit, and probably will do so until the Big Employers re-evaluate and adjust, realizing their poor Employee T&Cs can no longer be subsidized by Big Govt (Tax Credits, UC).

CV19 wasn't planned (except possibly by China) and rocked everyone's Applecart and in terms of Brexit it has at least made most focus their minds on getting things sorted.

I agree with jas about China using vax programs in 3rd World Countries to gain influence and power, they've been doing that for years, and specifically through their very successful and ongoing Belt and Road Initiative.

Shored up by the endeavours and working conditions of the private sector Workers employed on zero or near 'slavery' contracts and T&Cs. This divide would have worsened without Brexit, and probably will do so until the Big Employers re-evaluate and adjust, realizing their poor Employee T&Cs can no longer be subsidized by Big Govt (Tax Credits, UC).

This is a bold claim with as far as I can see literally no evidence to back it up.

Indeed, as we have seen recently, fire and rehire has become endemic since Brexshit!

In fact, frankly this Brexshit government give less of a fuck about the workers than any government since Pitt the Elder...

[quote Eve]Trouble brewing in Belfast and marching season starting which won’t help tensions

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/hundreds-march-on-the-shankillat-northern-ireland-protocol-protest-40525386.html[/quote]
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HateIs

Every single advancement in workers rights and public services has been initiated by Big Govt.

If you want change, it wont come from business

Brexit won't change this but CV will give companies the perfect excuse to cut costs, starting with TnC's its exactly what my previous company is now doing, i got out just before they started but colleagues have seen redundancy cut, longer hours, more callout, lower pay or fuck off.
Hi tech sector where there is apparent shortages but if all companies cut TnC's employees have less choice do they?

Well in theory labour shortages should drive up wages. But we didnt see Tim Martin promising that, did we? We saw him whine for a special visa deal.