Westminstenders: The New Era

[RedToothBrush]

Scotland.
The GFA.
Its not Brexit Honest.
Levelling Up Shitholes caused by Tory austerity.
Babymilk Shortages
Cronyism

But we did good with covid jabs.

@yellowspanner

Mathanxiety, We do not have an economic crisis and we are not descending into fascism. We will have a system of immigration that meets the needs of our country rather than a free for all from mainly white,Christian EU countries. We will be more able to deport people who are here illegally without the lawyers finding endless, spurious reasons for holding them up. Neither of these are facist.

yellowspanner Jasjas, I did not mention "spurious reasons".

You referred to spurious reasons in the post above, addressed to mathanxiety.

Senior bus passes are free, I think.

No point in me having one as a dearth of buses in this rural backwater. However my senior railcard is a godsend, pays for itself in two trips to see or provide grannycare for GC. Also gets me 1/3 off on the Tube if I buy a day travel ticket (train journey + underground)

Senior bus passes are generally free.

In Edinburgh, a standard yearly bus pass for an adult is £600.
In Liverpool, it's £686.70/year.
In Glasgow, it costs min. £149 for a 10-week pass.
Bristol only seems to offer bus passes for the more mature traveller or the disabled.

I have work to do, so ended my survey there, gazing out over the sunlit electoral uplands.

To fair, you can get a free bus pass (with photo) once you're 60 in Scotland (I've just applied for mine )

Maybe that's part of the Conservative strategy: they think that the "oldies" will vote for them. They'll be on tae plums with my dad, my dh and me and most of the other over 60s that I know

It’s 60 in Wales too prettybird, but 67 where I am in England.

DS has a bus card for school (which costs us £600 a year) but it’s just a smart card, so not photo ID.

I had a good friend coming for lunch on Wednesday but we've had to cancel as she's not allowed to travel into skanky Glasgow nor would she be allowed to come inside if the weather was inclement

I don't see the delay in reducing our level being just a week: I think it will be 2, if not 3 weeks The centre of the biggest cluster of new cases is where I live - and the demonstration last Thursday, although commendable and they did Glasgow proud, will not have helped the transmission rates. That and the Rangers shenanigans on Saturday( not commendable and a stain on Glasgow's reputation )

Oops - wrong thread

yellowspanner
You have posted perfectly valid comments yellowspanner. Don't let wewereliars bully you - she is the one making a fool of herself, not you.

^^

True BeLeavers actually need us traitorous negative-thinking, negative-speaking fifth-columnists to carry on posting on here, despite the constant bleating and squirrelling. How else to still get the downtrodden and oppressed narrative, whilst simultaneously triumphalising about being the People's Willy?

I'm coming over a bit oppressed, myself.
After all, I was called hysterical.
When I queried it, the accuser quoted 2 posts, neither of which remotely fits the definition of hysteria, and one of which I posted after said accusation.

Help, help, I'm being oppressed...
(with apologies to MP)

Stop bullying me with your facts.My delusions are hurting

TatianaBis
Deporting them is not exactly what they are doing. If they were just turning them away at the border that would be one thing. What they’re doing is incarcerating them in detention centres first.

Ideally the whole process would only take a few hours - but clearly there are fewer flights available because of Covid restrictions and their home countries might require another negative PCR test before they accept them back.

Like Marta, the Italian who came to visit her uncle, an NHS consultant, who went with his young daughter to meet her at the airport. She did not show up, and it later turned out she had been taken to a detention centre and then deported.

Marta was actually his younger cousin (incorrectly reported in the Guardian) - she spent 12 hours in the detention centre and the NHS consultant was allowed to visit her before she left the country. Not nice for the young woman I agree - however they were clearly circumventing the rules;

“They checked my papers, and I showed them my cousin's letter offering me an au pair position, specifying all the duties I had to perform. It was my first international trip; I tried to explain my cousin was my employer and that I would be staying with his family."

wewereliars
Stop bullying me with your facts. My delusions are hurting

You asked me if I had stopped taking my medication not so long ago - I think I've got the measure of your posting style thank you very much.

AuldAlliance
I'm coming over a bit oppressed, myself.

Oppressed? You posted this first;

There is something almost pathological about your consistent refusal to engage...

I am engaging.

There are plenty of flights Clav, the issue is the detention process. She can have a PCR test at the airport.

It was clearly an innocent mistake. The doctor had provided her with a letter “outlining she could come and stay with us as an au pair, not realising that work, paid or not, is not permissible post-Brexit without a visa”.

Now she's got a stamp on her passport and may be barred from entry into the UK until it expires.

I'd like to see your reaction to being treated the same: the combination of dippy shocked entitlement would be amusing.

@yellowspanner

MrsLaughan...what do you mean by "within the letter of the law". If the people were here legally the HO would not rule against them.

Yep - showing your ignorance- HO was described hostile environment for very good reasons.

You obviously still believe in Santa Claus

PMK as thanks Red & contributors

@yellowspanner

Jasjas, I did not mention "spurious reasons". Our government have a right and a duty to deport people who are here illegally. They are breaking the law. Should we ignore law breakers. And the lawyers who defend them often do so on spurious grounds. That is why the law is being changed.

Yes they are here illegally, i am laughing at your assertion they will now be deported due to changes in the law. You have to accept that many of these folk cannot be deported, there is no stable state for them to return too.

As for illegals who have come here via Europe, we have no agreement to send them back to France Italy Greece etc.

What do you wish to do to with them? imprisonment?

From Peregrina
"But you are just being told with someone with first hand knowledge that they were here legally and that the HO did rule against them for reasons best known to themselves."

If I was being cynical I would say they were the wrong colour......

I am white, wealthy and educated (and from a commonwealth country) married to a British citizen and the process was harrowing. They did everything to deny residency/ citizenship- they used dirty tricks to try and "catch us out". I was accused of being involved in a marriage of convenience- to which my response was "15years, 2 children, 4 countries and living away from my family - it's not a marriage of convenience, it's a marriage of inconvenience ".

And I am sure I will be asked why I bother - this is now my kids home, it's where all our assets are, but if I didn't have citizenship and my husband died I would be thrown out of the country without it.

Clavinova you were not engaging with the points made when I posted that remark about your refusal to do so.

You finally engaged, by stating that denying the right to peaceful protest doesn't trouble you because you don't like Extinction Rebellion causing obstructions and megaphone guy was "annoying".

Your general approach is to counter a point made about the UK/BJ/the current gvmt by frantically c&ping about other places or people, most of which are entirely irrelevant.
That's not engaging.
Hence my exasperation at the feeling that communicating with you resembles banging one's head against a brick wall. Which I expressed in non-hysterical terms.

I suggested that the proposal to introduce voter ID will most likely deprive some voters of their rights, as the UK has no free form of photo ID. Which you claimed first was not the case, because former Labour ministers once spoke in favour of national ID cards, an irrelevant distraction. You then said my suggestion was hysterical because bus passes and blue badges have been cited as possible forms of ID. Neither of which is freely available to all of the electorate. So that point is also irrelevant.

You can disagree with my posts, but dismissing them as hysterical is just inaccurate.

There are plenty of flights Clav

Apparently not -

Government sources argue that Border Force decisions have been complicated by the lack of return flights for those who enter the country without a necessary work visa and because of Covid.

It was clearly an innocent mistake.

That depends on which version of the story is correct - there are three or four!

It seems hard to believe that an NHS consultant and his English wife didn't look at the government website regarding au pairs - it's very clear - and indeed, their letter of invitation fits the criteria listed on the page.

Presumably, that was also at great expense @mrslaughan - not something everyone, who, even if technically they have the right to stay or to naturalise, may be able to afford

This is before we even get into the Windrush in the making potential future problems of elderly people or children from the EU who either didn't realise or were too young to do it themselves that they needed to regularise their status in the UK post Brexit

The immigration lawyers are going to have their hands full - and I don't see the Home Office as doing anything other than continuing to enforce the "hostile environment" that is now in its DNA having learnt nothing from the Windrush scandal

I am engaging

I'm sure, in RL, you're a lovely host, with a sparkling personality, that would have us all rooted to the spot, mesmerised by your addictive conversation.

Just not on here :)

Yeah - I hate to think k how much it cost in total. The hone office fees are huge - and we also used a lawyer. Which was helpful in the most part - but did add significantly to the cost ( however fees are much more modest than say something like conveyancing)

With regards to EU citizens..... it's starting . Just had a crop of tweets over the weekend - all who have got letters stating the need to apply for settled status. Some are elderly - were "naturalised" pre-eu - and having to provide documentation or else will loose pension and NHS.
One was an 80 year old women who moved here to marry a brit , lived here 60 odd years.
Awful.

Government sources who are in the shit - arf.

I can quite see that it wouldn’t occur to them that inviting a family member over to live in their house to look after their children part time would need a work visa. It’s not formal contracted employment.

If they were trying to break the rules, why write a letter announcing she was coming to work for them for her to present at the airport?