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Brexit

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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mrslaughan · 28/04/2021 18:35

.....of course the BBC aren't.....your not naive, so why you would waste your time with bothering with that comment.

Please do not insult our intelligence

Jenthefredo · 28/04/2021 18:41

Ah, the good olde brexit broadcasting corporation:)
Maybe try from a reputable news source?

YoutubeZoom · 28/04/2021 18:44

@ListeningQuietly Thank you. It is not surprising. I never know if it is incompetence or malice.

It looks like the Nestle plant in Fawdon lost Blue Riband to Poland and their remaining brands are low-growth. www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/475-jobs-set-go-nestl-20484285#ICID=Android_ChronicleNewsApp_AppShare

I do not think the Brexit effect at Nissan or Nestle would be instantaneous. It is more likely that they might lose out in internal tendering. Death by a thousand cuts.

Clavinova · 28/04/2021 18:46

I expect we shall find out soon enough;

^Joe Clarke, Unite's national officer for the food and drink industry, said:

"We will be asking for an urgent meeting with the management to ascertain the business rationale for these decisions from a multi-national company which is highly profitable."

JackieLavertysWeirdVoice · 28/04/2021 18:46

@Peregrina

Arlene Foster resigns.
Next month. And then the month after.
ListeningQuietly · 28/04/2021 18:52

Youtube
Its a mixture
BUT
It has succeeded in pissing off every branch and level of local government of every hue
which is NOT a good situation for MHCLG

Peregrina · 28/04/2021 19:07

Loved it. Ian Blackford asked Johnson if he was

a liar.

Needless to say, the chief spaffer couldn't answer the question with a denial. He also missed a trick by not throwing the question back to Blackford. It was clear that Johnson was referring to the bodies piling up, and although that was what Blackford had been talking about before hand, that wasn't his question.

Clavinova · 28/04/2021 19:42

Not another tabloid newspaper Peregrina;

the Record has a close kinship with the UK-wide Daily Mirror.

HannibalHayeski · 28/04/2021 20:22

What c&p is blatantly ignoring forgetting, is that we were always going to have apparently good growth this year, because we had a disastrously bad slump last year, far worse than any comparable economies. I'm afraid 8% growth after a 15% slump is hardly "prospering mightily"...

Peregrina · 28/04/2021 20:44

It didn't matter where the clip came from Clavinova - it was Parliament. I could have taken one from the Evening Standard, and in fact I will
www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/boris-johnson-prime-minister-people-snp-westminster-b932195.html

Or that one - I haven't a clue who that one is.

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/pmqs-ian-blackford-rapped-by-speaker-after-asking-boris-johnson-are-you-a-liar-3217178
The Scotsman. I don't know what political bias that paper has. But note that Johnson cannot answer the questions put by Starmer.

Clavinova · 28/04/2021 20:55

It didn't matter where the clip came from Clavinova

My mistake - I thought you said you only quoted from quality sources.

Peregrina · 28/04/2021 20:59

I regard Parliament as a good quality source. Perhaps you don't?

HannibalHayeski · 28/04/2021 21:00

Brexit update...

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.
TheElementsSong · 28/04/2021 21:15

🐿 The East German secret police, the Stasi, kept a vast collection of thousands of “smelling jars” - these were for odour recognition to keep track of potential dissidents or defectors, with the aid of specially trained smell hounds. The odour samples were collected by various methods such as breaking into homes to steal suspects’ underwear or dirty socks, wiping the armpits of arrested people with sampling cloths, and even with a “smell sample chair”which held sampling cloths sandwiched under a perforated seat to be used during interrogations. The samples were then stored in glass jars, each carefully labeled with details of whom the sample came from.

In modern Brexitannia, we are far more sophisticated and keep tabs on dissident treasonous UnBeLeavers by simply observing that they have committed the crime of "political opinions" which indicates that everything they subsequently do or say is inadmissible - oh, unless these opinions are in praise of TruToryBrexitannianPlague which indicates that they ought to be believed even if they say the Moon is made of green cheese🐿

HannibalHayeski · 28/04/2021 21:24

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HannibalHayeski · 28/04/2021 21:25

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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.
UltimateFoole · 28/04/2021 21:38

@PurpleBiro21

Obviously they cannot make that accusation of lying directly in Parliament as the rules forbid it.

Ian Blackford asked BJ if he is a liar today Smile

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/boris-johnson-prime-minister-people-snp-westminster-b932195.html%3famp

Long time lurker, occasional poster.

Exactly so. Framing it is a question rather than an accusation was sailing close to the wind, but did get round the rule about not accusing MPs of deliberately lying. Plaid (and possibly a Labour MP?) followed up along similar lines.

They see Johnson as vulnerable on this flank or they wouldn't risk speaking like that in the House.

Peregrina · 28/04/2021 22:11

And he was rattled, and wasn't able to give a straight answer.

LouiseCollins28 · 28/04/2021 22:32

[quote YoutubeZoom]@ListeningQuietly Thank you. It is not surprising. I never know if it is incompetence or malice.

It looks like the Nestle plant in Fawdon lost Blue Riband to Poland and their remaining brands are low-growth. www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/475-jobs-set-go-nestl-20484285#ICID=Android_ChronicleNewsApp_AppShare

I do not think the Brexit effect at Nissan or Nestle would be instantaneous. It is more likely that they might lose out in internal tendering. Death by a thousand cuts.[/quote]
"Nestle's", repeat after me "Nestle's"

HannibalHayeski · 28/04/2021 23:10

Apparently, killing 150,000 of our own citizens isn't enough. They just want to kill people anywhere...

Peregrina · 28/04/2021 23:46

5 Johnson claims fact checked.
Two outright porkies - about the Labour overspend on refurbishment, and the EU vote.

The only one which he gets wholly right is the vaccine roll out - which he is milking for all it's worth, but is a success because it's not been put in the hands of his favourites like Serco.

LostToucan · 29/04/2021 07:43

"Nestle's", repeat after me "Nestle's"

Why?

AuldAlliance · 29/04/2021 07:46

LouiseCollins28
"Nestle's", repeat after me "Nestle's"

Nestlé ... repeat after me: Nestlé
Or Nestlé UK & Ireland, if you are scrupulously pedantic about the company's actual name. With an acute accent on the final 'e', but nary an apostrophe in sight.

www.nestle.co.uk/en-gb

Jenthefredo · 29/04/2021 07:50

So, when do we think boris will quit? I thought before Easter so good job I didn't put money on it.
Being PM isn't the jolly wheeze he thought it would be is it?
Nevermind.
Despite his track record of lies and illegal behaviour he will get many lucrative offers to sit on Boards and of course once the after dinner speaking circuit odds up again he'll be quids in.

Jenthefredo · 29/04/2021 07:50

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