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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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LostToucan · 29/04/2021 07:51

Oh good, not just me then (I know it’s Nestlé as our mate has worked for them for 30 years, in some fabulous locations).

Jenthefredo · 29/04/2021 07:55

My mil pronounces it "nessles"

LostToucan · 29/04/2021 07:55

Still, John Lewis is getting some good advertising copy out of “wallpaper gate” and “cash for cushions” on Twitter

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.
Jenthefredo · 29/04/2021 07:55

(But she's weird)

borntobequiet · 29/04/2021 08:04

Dissing JL in this country is a bit like disparaging motherhood and apple pie in the US. In fact worse, because it goes to the basis of Who We Are. Designer gold leaf wallpaper is so vulgar, the rich déclassé version of a statement wall on every wall. The Queen can get away with such stuff because of heritage and she balances it with Tupperware. Did the DOE have a gilded hearse? No. It was a Land Rover. That’s class.

Peregrina · 29/04/2021 08:06

I was just going to post that it was always pronounce Nessles when we were growing up. None of this Swiss French Nes Lay stuff!

Peregrina · 29/04/2021 08:14

Cash for cushions makes them sound utterly pathetic.

I wonder if the LandRover will be brought out for the next Royal Funeral?

Jenthefredo · 29/04/2021 08:14

The decor seems very trumpian...lots of gold.
Just goes to show money can't buy class

Jenthefredo · 29/04/2021 08:17

I boycott nestle anyway and have done for years. This seems to annoy my mil very much :)

Bojo and carrie would have an episode if they saw my home decor.

Its mostly ikea with a touch of handmade 😁

KonTikki · 29/04/2021 08:22

Good article in the Spectator about First Lady Carrie, a direct import from the White House, and the current power behind No 10.
It's not a good look.

LostToucan · 29/04/2021 08:27

Slagging off JL is not a good look, when it’s out of reach for a huge number of people in the UK.

I liked the Cameron’s decor from the odd photo that I’ve seen.

PawFives · 29/04/2021 08:30

@Jenthefredo

So, when do we think boris will quit? I thought before Easter so good job I didn't put money on it. Being PM isn't the jolly wheeze he thought it would be is it? Nevermind. Despite his track record of lies and illegal behaviour he will get many lucrative offers to sit on Boards and of course once the after dinner speaking circuit odds up again he'll be quids in.
Suppose it’s too much to ask that he stays out of the limelight once he eventually goes, so we don’t have to hear his blustering and rambling any more.
Jenthefredo · 29/04/2021 08:33

Yes I think that would be too much to ask, sadly

I aspire to own John Lewis furniture :) much of it is well designed and well made.

Peregrina · 29/04/2021 08:38

But at least when the Americans elect a President they know the First Lady, or First Gentleman perhaps in future, comes as part of the package. At one time Tory leaders were smartly dressed men, with a nice pretty wife (e.g. IDS and wife). If female, smartly dressed, with a supportive husband who kept in the background but had made oodles of money.

With Johnson, well, who knows? Are he and Carrie having rows about this right now - she knows she's gone over the top with the re-design, he hasn't been able to brazen it out about who footed the bill. Will she flounce out to live elsewhere?

It would be very funny if something relatively trivial like gold leaf wallpaper brought him down - not the lies about Brexit, not the disaster which could potentially unfold still in NI, not the billions on failed track and trace or PPE not delivered by mates. But Wallpaper and Cushions!

Jenthefredo · 29/04/2021 08:41

Oh I dunno, seems about right to me
The level of political apathy and disinterest in the UK is utterly staggering.
But...someone being ostentatious and all Louis XIV will get peoples backs up
😒🙄

Peregrina · 29/04/2021 08:43

Since May refurbed we know that the decor had to have been redone later than 2016. I suppose it depends on how fussy you are, but most of us would make do with a lick of paint after five years. A perfectly good kitchen would not need replacing - maybe smartened up with new worktops.

borntobequiet · 29/04/2021 08:49

On reflection I think that the flat refurbishment thing is a useful distraction because it’s so easily dismissed and trivialised, even if disingenuously (lots of Tory bigwigs doing this over the last few days). The poor handling of the pandemic - the reluctance to lock down and the insistence on schools staying open unsafely - and the bodies piling up remark are taking second place now.
Meanwhile a perfect storm is brewing over this year’s GCSEs and A levels, except that because the government has devolved virtually all the responsibility on to schools, and washed its hands of any meaningful involvement, the schools and individual teachers and head teachers will get the flak. I’m so glad I’m no longer teaching in the secondary sector. Those who are must feel utterly helpless and despairing for their students.

HannibalHayeski · 29/04/2021 08:51

Just going back through my memory banks, I was sure that the old Milky Bar adverts pronounced it "nessels". It looks like I was - some pronounce it Nestlé and others Nessels (e.g. at about 2.40).

Peregrina · 29/04/2021 09:13

It was definitely Nessles Milky Bar when we were growing up in the 1950s and 60s.

FatCatThinCat · 29/04/2021 09:23

@Peregrina

It was definitely Nessles Milky Bar when we were growing up in the 1950s and 60s.
And in the 70s.
Clavinova · 29/04/2021 10:58

Peregrina
5 Johnson claims fact checked.
Two outright porkies - about the Labour overspend on refurbishment, and the EU vote.

Boris Johnson doesn't use the word overspend and his figures are correct for the period 1997 - 2010 in real terms - as per the BBC link/s. If Boris Johnson is not supposed to 'adjust for inflation' then some of his other 'lies' are not 'lies' after all - he has been criticised for not adjusting for inflation. Most people would be quite happy to accept that a reference to the last Labour government covers the period 1997-2010.

It didn't matter where the clip came from Clavinova
Or that one - I haven't a clue who that one is.

Your YouTuber might be a revolutinary type (I don't want to delve too deeply) - Maximilien Robespierre (YouTube name) was the leader in the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution. After a year, his fellow revolutionaries got fed up of all the terrorising (16,000 executions) and they had him arrested and executed instead.

longwayoff · 29/04/2021 11:28

I have to dig through my recycling, there's a book in there called Dictator Chic. Thought it's time was over but need another look at it now.

Peregrina · 29/04/2021 11:29

I know who Robespierre was, having done History A level but thanks for giving me a history lesson.

It should have been abundantly clear that I wasn't asking for a history lesson but I assume you think you are being smart by being patronising.

Clavinova · 29/04/2021 11:43

I know who Robespierre was, having done History A level.

snap!

I assume you think you are being smart by being patronising.

Actually, I was wondering why a purist Guardian reader was wandering down some unusual rabbit holes - and you started it with the patronising Daily Express comment.

AuldAlliance · 29/04/2021 11:50

I would like to make it clear that I don't give a shiny shit how anyone pronounces Nestlé. I try and boycott them, too, because they are a bunch of bastards on so many levels.

I was (tongue in cheek) mimicking the passive aggressive post that appeared to be correcting how someone wrote the company's name.

Which is about as relevant to job losses as who Robespierre was is relevant to what clearly was said in the HoC yesterday, as evidenced by actual, you know, video footage of it, whosoever then posts that online.

About as relevant to job losses as whether Jill Biden has fancy new bogs in the WH is relevant to the fact that the British PM is ready to flog influence to all and sundry for the price of gold leaf wallpaper.

I'll try to resist the temptation to pick up the haphazardly scattered acorns and spread them further.

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