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Brexit

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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Clavinova · 28/04/2021 11:42

AuldAlliance
Haward is, however, keenly aware that not everyone took that preemptive action, for various reasons, and that Brexit is, on the whole, disastrous for exports of UK oysters.

I think it's too early to say what will happen to exports of UK oysters. My problem with Haward is that he gives the impression that everything is hunky-dory for the oyster trade in the rest of Europe - if only he didn't have the extra paperwork he could export his [purified] oysters to the EU at the drop of a hat. However, if the London restaurants he supplies have mostly been shut for the past 6 months (because of Covid restrictions) then it is likely that his EU clients have also been closed for business. Not only that, but a saturated market for oysters in the EU is clearly going to drive down prices - when hotels and restaurants reopen oyster prices will rise again.

TheElementsSong

You can ignore me if you like.

I am somewhat intrigued by the oyster catcher's brother, who has written an article for Byline Times (there is a link to the article on twitter);

Justin Welby’s suggestion corrupt politicians should be forgiven misses the need for reparations in Christian teaching, explains Reverend Joe Haward.

Clavinova · 28/04/2021 11:50

If you think Macron is supposed to be left-leaning, you're not paying much attention.

Perhaps I haven't;

Macron, Once a Darling of Liberals...

Peregrina · 28/04/2021 11:57

I think it's too early to say what will happen to exports of UK oysters.

Rubbish. The benefits were due to be delivered as soon as the Transition period ended. Easiest deals in history, we hold all the cards, they need us more than we need them.That was 1st January, it's now almost the end of April.

Clavinova · 28/04/2021 12:05

The benefits were due to be delivered as soon as the Transition period ended.

Well I've had my first vaccine now and the Times yesterday;

The UK economy will grow even faster than that of the United States this year as the vaccine programme delivers the speediest recovery since the war, Goldman Sachs has forecast.

The projection by the Wall Street bank comes after a string of economists’ upgrades for Britain and a prediction of “very rapid growth at least over the next couple of quarters” by Ben Broadbent, deputy governor at the Bank of England.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britains-gdp-will-grow-faster-than-americas-goldman-predicts-rc7v8xhff

Clavinova · 28/04/2021 12:11

22 April 2021

Manufacturing optimism at highest levels in nearly 50 years.

UK manufacturers’ hopes for an economic rebound rose to their highest levels in nearly half a century this month as Britain slowly began its exit from Covid-19 lockdowns.

According to the latest CBI quarterly Industrial Trends survey, its quarterly business optimism gauge jumped to +38, its highest level since April 1973.

The CBI suggested that investment intentions for plant and machinery were at their strongest since July 1997.

www.cityam.com/manufacturing-optimism-at-highest-levels-in-nearly-50-years/

longwayoff · 28/04/2021 12:15

It still looks like a take away waiting area. They'll find korma catching up with them when there's a line of Deliveroo drivers sitting on those sofas.

AuldAlliance · 28/04/2021 12:17

Clavinova
It's raining in Provence today.
It often rains in the UK.
Ergo the effects of Covid on the sales of UK oysters in Provence must be identical to those in the UK.
Ergo Haward's views are irrelevant.

I'm slowly getting the hang of this Twister malarky.

Clavinova · 28/04/2021 12:36

Well ok, just checked;

Exporting to places such as Taiwan, Barcelona, Dubai and Brussels, we have a growing reputation around the world. Here at Richard Haward’s Oysters...

5 April 2021

Covid forces two of Barcelona's oldest restaurants out of business...

Both have now closed, barely a week after news that Senyor Parellada and the seafood restaurant Cal Pinxo, which have been serving Barcelonans for, respectively, 38 and 60 years, had gone out of business.

Other longstanding establishments, such as Can Culleretes, the city’s oldest restaurant, which has never closed since it was founded in 1786, or the fish and paella specialist 7 Portes (1836), are struggling to survive through home deliveries.

The Catalan hospitality sector has faced strict limitations on its opening hours and the number of customers allowed on the premises since December. Rules were eased in March but even so all bars and restaurants have to close by 5pm...

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/05/covid-forces-closure-of-two-of-barcelonas-oldest-restaurants

HarrietPierce · 28/04/2021 12:46

The Electoral Commission have announced that it is officially investigating Johnson over his flat donations, because it is satisfied that there are reasonable grounds to suspect that offences may have occurred.
When just asked about this on PMQ, Johnson ignored the question as usual and replied Vaccines .

Peregrina · 28/04/2021 12:56

^www.cityam.com/manufacturing-optimism-at-highest-levels-in-nearly-50-years/^

These claims are where the "it;s too early to say" claims come in.
In a year's time, two years, then yes, we should be able to see.

UltimateFoole · 28/04/2021 13:07

The squeeze on Johnson is getting tighter. Opposition politicians circled closer and closer to calling BJ a liar during PMQs. (Obviously they cannot make that accusation of lying directly in Parliament as the rules forbid it.)

This was the closing line from The Mail in an article on the gold-wallpapered flat. Note how close it comes to alleging unethical or illegal behaviour. Knives are visibly out for the PM.

"In his blistering attack last week Mr Cummings said he told Mr Johnson early last year that the funding of flat makeover was ‘unethical, foolish and possibly illegal.’

Whether you think Cummings is a genius or the devil incarnate, it is hard to disagree that Mr Johnson is guilty on at least one of the three counts. "

PMQs was a sight to see this week. Johnson really lost it over the flat-funding questions. He was visibly enraged and tripping over his words at one point because he was so choked with anger.

DGRossetti · 28/04/2021 13:10

Obviously they cannot make that accusation of lying directly in Parliament as the rules forbid it.

Parliamentary "rules" appear to be a moveable feast in 2021.

UltimateFoole · 28/04/2021 13:14

But as I understand it the rules still apply to the little people. Wink

Peregrina · 28/04/2021 13:30

I think they would be allowed to mention that Boris Johnson has been sacked twice for lying, because that is a matter of public record.

YoutubeZoom · 28/04/2021 16:41

born I loved the bit about Gove being next in line to be PM. Grin

DGRossetti · 28/04/2021 16:55

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56912667

Covid: Spain hopes for tourists as EU votes on digital passports

I wonder how many moronic Brexiteers saw that and "forgot" it doesn't apply to them anymore ...

...
The 27 member states also want to include non-EU countries such as Norway, Iceland and Switzerland, with officials saying earlier this week that vaccinated travellers from the US may also be able to visit Europe this summer.

However, the European Commission has said that there have been "no contacts" with the UK over the issue.
...

PurpleBiro21 · 28/04/2021 17:03

Obviously they cannot make that accusation of lying directly in Parliament as the rules forbid it.

Ian Blackford asked BJ if he is a liar today Smile

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/boris-johnson-prime-minister-people-snp-westminster-b932195.html%3famp

Long time lurker, occasional poster.

Clavinova · 28/04/2021 17:24

However, the European Commission has said that there have been "no contacts" with the UK over the issue.

The Times this morning;

Covid passports: Spain expects to be on green list by June and promises a warm welcome.

Portugal hoping to open to the British next month.

Spain will reopen its borders for British tourists in June, the country’s tourism minister said.

Fernando Valdés Verelst said he was in “close conversations” with ministers in the UK and that the country was gearing up to reopen its borders to vaccinated travellers with a digital health certificate. Those who have not been jabbed will be required to present a negative test on arrival.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-passports-spain-expects-to-be-on-green-list-by-june-and-promises-a-warm-welcome-8wdptx23h

ListeningQuietly · 28/04/2021 17:52

MHCLG have today thrown the whole local government sector under the bus.
Westminster clearly hate democracy.
What has this country become.
BEYOND livid.

mrslaughan · 28/04/2021 17:55

More sunlit uplands...... unfortunately the sunlit uplands in this particular story are in the UK

news.sky.com/story/nestle-to-cut-almost-600-jobs-as-it-closes-uk-factory-and-moves-some-production-to-europe-12289465

YoutubeZoom · 28/04/2021 18:01

@ListeningQuietly

MHCLG have today thrown the whole local government sector under the bus. Westminster clearly hate democracy. What has this country become. BEYOND livid.
What happened?
ListeningQuietly · 28/04/2021 18:10

Youtube
www.local.gov.uk/about/news/lga-responds-high-court-judgement-holding-online-and-hybrid-council-meetings
Councils with elections next week have to choose which law to break
because MHCLG hate them

Peregrina · 28/04/2021 18:16

Arlene Foster resigns.

Clavinova · 28/04/2021 18:18

A different slant in the BBC's report - no mention of moving "some production to Europe." Sky are suggesting a Brexit story - the BBC are not;

The world's largest food company wants to close its site in Fawdon by the end of 2023 and focus production on factories in York and Halifax.

Nestle said it would invest £20m into the York facility to "increase production of KitKat in the city where the brand was first created in 1935".

About £9.2m would be spent at Halifax to "take on the largest portion of Fawdon's current production", a company spokeswoman said.

Ross Murdoch, GMB national officer, said: "To ruin hundreds of lives in a ruthless pursuit of profits, to the very workers who've kept the company going during a global pandemic, is sickening.

"Nestle is the largest food producer in the world, with astronomical profits. It can afford to treat workers right.

"It's corporate greed at its worst - GMB and Unite will fight for every job."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-56916383

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