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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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Clavinova · 27/04/2021 17:46

We know about Mr Haward already - he has been interviewed on a number of occasions. He told LBC that he foresaw the problems with Brexit two or three years ago - he increased the size of his purification tanks and expanded his client base in the UK. When asked if Brexit had impacted his own business (since Jan) he actually answered "not much". As far as I can see he is mainly a spokesperson for other oyster catchers.

AuldAlliance · 27/04/2021 18:38

As far as I can see he is mainly a spokesperson for other oyster catchers.
As in, someone who had the capital and foresight to avoid being hammered by Brexit, but is aware others are not so fortunate/were taken in by lies and is therefore speaking up for them and pointing out how bad things are?

Does that mean what he says should be disregarded?

Kendodd · 27/04/2021 18:52

I know it's not good for some people but imo the one good thing Brexit might deliver is the collapse of the UK fishing industry, it does terrible environmental damage. Also, I have zero sympathy for Leave voting fisher folk, they knowingly threw NI under the bus because they thought they might make a little bit more money. Fuck 'em.

HarrietPierce · 27/04/2021 18:53

Tom Haward Twitter

When my daughter grows up she will be fascinated by the stupidity of Brexit and will ask how a nation could be so duped and divided.

· Apr 26
"We used to enjoy the flexibility of a large and free flowing relationship with European customers. That, for the foreseeable future, has disappeared." - @HawardTom

·

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 18:56

Does that mean what he says should be disregarded?

Should his political views be taken into account as well? He is quite outspoken in that department.

LostToucan · 27/04/2021 19:04

@TheElementsSong

🐿 US President Thomas Jefferson was obsessed with the idea that mastodons (mammoths) were still alive and roaming the American West, and assigned exploration teams to search the continent for “the remains and accounts of any [animal] which may be deemed rare or extinct.” Jefferson had long been fascinated by paleontology, but he was specifically keen on mastodons because he felt stung by the French naturalist the Comte de Buffon’s views that the animals of the New World were puny compared to those of Europe.

Therefore, the lack of discovery of mastodons in modern America is the fault of Europeans and it follows that Brexit is Great! 🐿

Oh yes! Sent off Lewis and Clarke to find woolly mammoths and had to rely on a teenage woman to save their glorious expedition (highly recommend the You’re Dead To Me episode on Sacagawea).
ginandbearit · 27/04/2021 19:11

Pmk

Copperas · 27/04/2021 20:38

Love the idea of Carrie-Antoinette

Copperas · 27/04/2021 20:38

Let them eat bijou soft furnishings

Jenthefredo · 27/04/2021 20:46

😅😅😅😅

AuldAlliance · 27/04/2021 20:50

Should his political views be taken into account as well?

Can an individual's analysis be accurate solely if they have no political views? Or only if they have the "right" political views?

Let me get this straight:
Haward correctly predicted that Brexit would be disastrous for exports of UK oysters, but he took appropriate action and is thus doing OK.
So he can be referred to as evidence that Brexit was not disastrous for exports of UK oysters.
Haward is, however, keenly aware that not everyone took that preemptive action, for various reasons, and that Brexit is, on the whole, disastrous for exports of UK oysters.
But if he says that, he can't be referred to because he's not actually evidence that Brexit was not disastrous for exports of UK oysters.

It's like a game of tortuous mental Twister.
I'd rather hunt for mammoths with Lewis and Clark and a big slice of brioche (just to set Marie Antoinette's record straight...).

TheElementsSong · 27/04/2021 21:40

You’re Dead To Me episode on Sacagawea

We're big fans of that podcast! It was that episode that reminded me of Jefferson's mastodons 🦣

TheElementsSong · 27/04/2021 21:43

It's like a game of tortuous mental Twister.

Well, I suppose if C&Pnova insists that everybody who has had the temerity to express a political opinion must perforce be disregarded, then by that logic everyone can happily ignore her too Grin

LostToucan · 27/04/2021 21:56

@TheElementsSong

You’re Dead To Me episode on Sacagawea

We're big fans of that podcast! It was that episode that reminded me of Jefferson's mastodons 🦣

They’re great, aren’t they? My favourites:

Grainne O’Malley
Harriet Tubman
Sacagawea
Josephine Baker
Blackbeard
Jack Sheppard
Mary Shelley (today is Mary Wollstonecraft day btw)

So many amazing women in that list too.

JackieLavertysWeirdVoice · 27/04/2021 22:21

Tony Blair on ITV News.

That's some lockdown hair going on.

mathanxiety · 27/04/2021 23:22

I love how the reference to Jill Biden's White House bathrooms is thrown in along with comments on British politicians' jaunts and wallpaper.

It's almost as if it was relevant.

(And perhaps in the minds of some Brexiteers the UK is already the 51st state of the Union.)

DGRossetti · 28/04/2021 07:48

Just leave this here ...

DS girlfriend got back from Latvia yesterday. Cleared immigration and whatever in 5 hours.

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.
Jenthefredo · 28/04/2021 08:08

@mathanxiety

I love how the reference to Jill Biden's White House bathrooms is thrown in along with comments on British politicians' jaunts and wallpaper.

It's almost as if it was relevant.

(And perhaps in the minds of some Brexiteers the UK is already the 51st state of the Union.)

Indeed!
Peregrina · 28/04/2021 09:15

(And perhaps in the minds of some Brexiteers the UK is already the 51st state of the Union.)

That's what a lot of prominent Brexiters want; they assume that they would be the 'haves' of US society. The ones who could afford to live in the best districts and pay for good health care. Not the 'have nots'.

longwayoff · 28/04/2021 09:37

I havent seen Nomadland but what I've heard sounds like a prescient warning to 51st staters.

YoutubeZoom · 28/04/2021 10:21

@mathanxiety

I love how the reference to Jill Biden's White House bathrooms is thrown in along with comments on British politicians' jaunts and wallpaper.

It's almost as if it was relevant.

(And perhaps in the minds of some Brexiteers the UK is already the 51st state of the Union.)

Noone told the US State Department about us joining: travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/us-adds-uk-to-do-not-travel-list
prettybird · 28/04/2021 10:57

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Clavinova · 28/04/2021 11:13

Love the idea of Carrie-Antoinette
Let them eat bijou soft furnishings

Hopefully Carrie hasn't employed the same interior designer as Brigitte Macron; the 'eclectic' Salon Pompadour - second photo;

www.architecturaldigest.com/story/tour-french-president-macrons-chic-elysee-palace-office-refresh

I love how the reference to Jill Biden's White House bathrooms is thrown in along with comments on British politicians' jaunts and wallpaper.

Indeed - Biden, Macron and Blair are supposed to be left-leaning premiers.

AuldAlliance · 28/04/2021 11:24

If you think Macron is supposed to be left-leaning, you're not paying much attention.

borntobequiet · 28/04/2021 11:40

On Tuesday, UK transport secretary Grant Shapps confirmed he is having “regular” talks with his opposite number in the US, Pete Buttigieg, about transatlantic travel.

From YouTube’s link above. Grant Schapps - Tory party chancer and yes man, undistinguished in thought and action. Pete Buttegieg, Rhodes scholar, ex-intelligence officer, Afghanistan veteran, gay “Mayor Pete” of South Bend, Indiana, notable for his consistent clear and intelligent rebuttals on broadcast media of the lies told by Trump. You could hardly find more of a contrast, unless you went for our PM vs Joe Biden.

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