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Brexit

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 27/04/2021 14:55

Dyson tried to design a ventilator from scratch, and didn't consult the right people to develop an appropriate specification.

The Ventilator Challenge with Penlon was a case of getting experts to help an experienced manufacturer scale up production of an existing product.

Dull but successful, the polar opposite of Dyson's attempts.

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 15:14

Dyson...didn't consult the right people to develop an appropriate specification.

Not suggested here - the Guardian again;

While the MHRA is not thought to have rejected the [Dyson] CoVent, approval was expected to take some time and the NHS’ need for ventilators has so far proved lower than the 18,000 that health secretary Matt Hancock said might be required.

The government commissioned several companies to supply 10,000 brand new ventilators each, awarding contracts to Dyson, defence company Babcock and a Cambridge-based group called Sagentia, a subsidiary of Science Group.

Dyson’s is the second project to be abandoned, after an effort involving the Renault and Aston Martin Red Bull Formula One teams was stood down due to a change in the specifications set by the government for new devices.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/dyson-will-not-supply-ventilators-to-nhs-to-treat-covid-19

ListeningQuietly · 27/04/2021 15:29

CPAP with oxygen is the default now.
Dyson has buggered off back to Singapore.

The EU has now ratified the Brexit deal
and will watch how quickly the UK starts to obey it
import paperwork here we come

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 15:34

French fishermen acknowledge the British are right when it comes to the small print of the withdrawal agreement, but say they don’t respect the spirit of the deal.

www.politico.eu/article/french-fishermen-threaten-to-block-calais-port-over-brexit-dispute/

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 15:39

BBC - 4 days ago;

High-profile businessman Sir James Dyson has moved his residency back to the UK from Singapore.

He now lives primarily in the UK according to filings for his companies, which include his family office.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56840781

ListeningQuietly · 27/04/2021 15:47

[quote Clavinova]French fishermen acknowledge the British are right when it comes to the small print of the withdrawal agreement, but say they don’t respect the spirit of the deal.

www.politico.eu/article/french-fishermen-threaten-to-block-calais-port-over-brexit-dispute/[/quote]
Which will not help UK fishermen at all because the UKs waters are too dirty

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 16:04

Which will not help UK fishermen at all because the UKs waters are too dirty.

Too dirty for this selection of fish?

www.fresh-cornish-fish.co.uk/shop/the-fish-box-club/the-fish-box-club_nationwide/

ListeningQuietly · 27/04/2021 16:08

[quote Clavinova]Which will not help UK fishermen at all because the UKs waters are too dirty.

Too dirty for this selection of fish?

www.fresh-cornish-fish.co.uk/shop/the-fish-box-club/the-fish-box-club_nationwide/[/quote]
I have no idea.
If the waters it was caught in are Grade A
or it was Grade B and has been cleaned
then fine
but if Brits are being palmed off with fish caught in Grade C waters that cannot be exported
I think we should be told .....

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 16:20

but if Brits are being palmed off with fish caught in Grade C waters that cannot be exported
I think we should be told .....

If EU citizens were previously eating unsafe fish from Grade C British waters it makes a mockery of EU food standards - everything is fine as long as you are a member of 'the club'.

YoutubeZoom · 27/04/2021 16:22

I do not know what other people's experiences are, but buying fish from supermarkets this year has been a mixed bag. On more than one occasion we had to bin the food, because it was vile. It was lockdown, so we had to use the nearby supermarkets.

ListeningQuietly · 27/04/2021 16:23

If EU citizens were previously eating unsafe fish from Grade C British waters it makes a mockery of EU food standards - everything is fine as long as you are a member of 'the club'.

Read the rules Clav.
NOBODY was eating fish straight of grade C when we were in the EU

But as the UK does not have the cleaning plants
and EU rules no longer apply
it looks like we are

Also I have a MAJOR ethical problem with trawled scallops
(which the openly admit to selling)

prettybird · 27/04/2021 16:27

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Clavinova · 27/04/2021 16:29

Read the rules Clav.
NOBODY was eating fish straight of grade C when we were in the EU

But you posted -

but if Brits are being palmed off with fish caught in Grade C waters
that cannot be exported
I think we should be told .....

palmed off ?

prettybird · 27/04/2021 16:29

I've reported my post as it's on the wrong thread Blush

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 16:33

The fish listed in my Cornish fish link were:

Cod fillets
Pollack fillets
Hake fillets
Megrim Sole
Lemon soles
Mackerel
john Dory

ListeningQuietly · 27/04/2021 16:34

CLAV
The fish was sent to other EU countries for depuration before retail sale.
Its all in the deal that Farage signed in 2008

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2021 16:38

www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/arlene-fosters-time-as-dup-leader-coming-to-an-end-as-75-of-her-mlas-sign-letter-of-no-confidence-3216112
Arlene Foster’s time as DUP leader coming to an end as 75% of her MLAs sign letter of no confidence
After more than five turbulent years as DUP leader, Arlene Foster’s time at the helm of Northern Ireland’s biggest party appears to be close to an end after 75% of her MLAs signed a letter calling for a leadership contest.

Interesting...

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TheElementsSong · 27/04/2021 16:38

🐿 US President Thomas Jefferson was obsessed with the idea that mastodons (mammoths) were still alive and roaming the American West, and assigned exploration teams to search the continent for “the remains and accounts of any [animal] which may be deemed rare or extinct.” Jefferson had long been fascinated by paleontology, but he was specifically keen on mastodons because he felt stung by the French naturalist the Comte de Buffon’s views that the animals of the New World were puny compared to those of Europe.

Therefore, the lack of discovery of mastodons in modern America is the fault of Europeans and it follows that Brexit is Great! 🐿

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 16:41

The fish was sent to other EU countries for depuration before retail sale.

Shellfish I know about - that's why I linked to a list of other types of fish.

HarrietPierce · 27/04/2021 16:47

Read further. Shellfish is also being sold.

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 16:50

Clearly we purify the oysters (for example) that we do eat on the domestic market;

richardhawardsoysters.shop/blogs/news/our-oysters-journey-from-sea-to-plate

Peregrina · 27/04/2021 17:04

Wow he supplies the whole of the UK from his oyster beds!

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 17:09

Wow he supplies the whole of the UK from his oyster beds!

ListeningQuietly was suggesting that we would be palmed off with unsafe fish/shellfish because we couldn't export it - clearly not - we have food safety rules as well.

HarrietPierce · 27/04/2021 17:28

Problems persist however : 21st April

21st April
Changes to EU regulations are another setback for Mersea's oyster fishing industry

By Rebecca Jones

Despite the EU upgrading some British waters to meet European standards, Tom Haward says “Brexit is continuing to batter British industry”.

Mr Haward, the owner of Richard Haward’s Oysters, said: “Certain shellfish areas are now seasonal Class A category - but that still does not solve the massive rise in costs to send food to Europe.
“This is because Brexit has created paperwork which hammers profit margins and logistical uncertainty which hammers supplier and customer confidence.”

“It costs about £300 to send our oysters aboard each time,” he added.

He used to be able to send produce to countries in the EU at no extra cost due to the former free trade agreement.

Mr Haward said: “Now British oysters are 20 per cent more in cost than EU oysters and there is no guarantee they will arrive on time as they could be held up at border control.

mrslaughan · 27/04/2021 17:39

In Horsey news - just talking about delays at the boarder. An English team member was taking her horse to an international competition in Europe - was held up 8hours at boarder - making a 10hr trip an 18hour trip. Raising all sorts of welfare issues. Possibly they need to plan to be at competitions to allow for extra recovery time..... but that really ramps up the cost.

Gives you an idea what exporters are up against.

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