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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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TatianaBis · 27/04/2021 09:03

The knives have been out for Boris for a while. I don’t believe the leaks didn’t come from Cummings, simply that he has been crafty enough to ensure plausible or at least selective deniability. But who’s behind Cummings - I’m assuming Gove and Murdoch, and whoever else is in that cabal.

YoutubeZoom · 27/04/2021 09:12

I always thought Johnson would be gone by Easter. Rishi might have been of the same mind. Measured up the curtains and now he can't wait.

TokyoSushi · 27/04/2021 09:17

I agree that something is afoot, I just can't figure out exactly what but I suspect Cummings & Gove are in cahoots somehow.

I blinkin love your garden @prettybird

Peregrina · 27/04/2021 09:19

Fishy Rishi? Well, he will certainly fancy his chances.

TheElementsSong · 27/04/2021 09:20

It'll be interesting to watch the True BeLeavers pivot smoothly from "The Sun shines out of Boris's penis and he can jizz no wrong" to "Oh, we always knew he was flawed, and in fact we always said the Sun shines out of Gove's tentacles."

LunarSea · 27/04/2021 09:26

Can I join the veg-off (long time lurker). We've got broad beans, runner beans, climbing french beans, dwarf beans, courgettes (3 types), peas (normal, mange tout and sugarsnap), tomatoes (3 types), cucumber, sweetcorn, radish (2 types), carrot (2 types), spring onion, beet, rhubarb, celeriac, fennel, garlic, lots of assorted herbs (bronze fennel, dill, thyme, sage, oregano, coriander, parsley, basil, mint, curry plant, lemon balm, probably a few more I've forgotten), various salad leaves, strawberries, raspberries, blackcurrant, blackberry, and apple and cherry trees. Have just reclaimed my dining room which was doubling up as a germination station for a while, and now have our unheated small greenhouse full of young plants. Far too many for the space I have - I'll end up giving a lot away or donating to charity plant sale, but I'm always over-pessimistic about what will actually do ok and end up planting too many.

longwayoff · 27/04/2021 09:39

I haven't got any veg, just flowers. Lovely garden prettybird. Feel quite envious. However am now ancient with aching joints so would be wasted on me. Enjoy it.

YoutubeZoom · 27/04/2021 10:01

Elements I need mind bleach now...

GeistohneGrenzen · 27/04/2021 10:41

longwayoff another one here ancient and with aching joints - and add to that bad balance and end stage AMD in one eye which has led to loss of central vision.

But although I have yet to sow any tomato and cucumber seeds this year, I do have promising kale and spinach beet growing apace in small raised frames, sown last November, and maybe an untold wealth of Jerusalem Artichokes waiting to be dug up from last year's crop. The landcress survived the winter too.

I'm not giving up yet Grin

longwayoff · 27/04/2021 10:50

Good for you Geistohne I'm restricted to window boxes and a small balcony these days but think I'd be in better shape if I'd kept more proper garden which required more physical effort. The balance is a bugger though. Keep diggingSmile

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2021 10:54

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56899831
French warn UK ahead of vote on Brexit trade deal

The Trade and Co-operation Agreement (TCA) has been operating provisionally since January and is expected to be ratified by MEPs later on Tuesday.

French Europe Minister Clément Beaune accused the UK of blocking fishing rights. He said the EU could respond with "reprisals" in financial services.

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LostToucan · 27/04/2021 11:11

Gove is apparently denying that Johnson said this.

Gove said “The idea he would say any such thing, I find incredible. I was in that room, I never heard language of that kind.”

Which is different to “Johnson didn’t say it”.

I got a fun YouGov question today - who would you least want as an enemy, Gove, Johnson or Cummings? So far it’s a toss up between Cummings and any one of them.

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 11:44

HannibalHayeski

I wouldn't want to follow him [Laurence Fox]. He seems to have a knack of being completely wrong on every subject.

Apparently you are correct - he voted Remain in 2016 and supported Jeremy Corbyn in 2017;

www.spectator.co.uk/article/laurence-fox-is-a-political-force-to-be-reckoned-with
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/laurence-fox-was-a-lamb-to-the-culture-war-slaughter-w3h2mfcpt

No wonder he supported Brexit...

NB Did you misread Lance Forman for Laurence Fox yesterday?

Peregrina
I would never accept the Express as an authority.

Good to see that your 'go-to' authority is the Daily Mail instead. Grin

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 12:24

TheElementsSong
pivot smoothly

Very smoothly if necessary - I have already declared that I am a big fan of Rishi Sunak and "quite like" Michael Gove.

Although I have to say, that Johnson's freebie holiday, the cost of Carrie's wallpaper and the James Dyson texts don't phase me at all.

Tony Blair frequently enjoyed the hospitality of "friends in high places", ("disastrous Blair holiday in a state-owned villa in Tuscany...cost Italian taxpayers £20,000"), Jill Biden is spending $1.2 million on bathrooms for her wing in the White House, and James Dyson spent £20 million of his own money on the ventilator project -because we asked him (and his staff) to help the country.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/around-world-tony-blair-courtesy-usual-his-many-friends-high-places-8002474.html
www.tatler.com/article/jill-biden-white-house-renovations-12-million-bathroom-makeover www.dyson.co.uk/newsroom/overview/update/ventilator-update

KonTikki
Why has the Daily Mail turned on Boris?

Newish editor supported Remain;

inews.co.uk/news/media/remainer-geordie-greig-daily-mail-162850

FrankieStein402 · 27/04/2021 12:38

Which is different to “Johnson didn’t say it”

This.
I do wish reporters would ask "did he express those sentiments"
Unless the phrase is exactly as uttered by pfeffel, denial, he/I did not say that is a getout response

ListeningQuietly · 27/04/2021 12:46

British wine exporters struggling to export
joy
www.ft.com/content/fbbdbb8c-c2dc-49fd-8370-51824a7b118a?shareType=nongift

HannibalHayeski · 27/04/2021 13:00

You're right C&P for once in your life, I only ever skim your posts so I misread who you were talking about.

They're both numpties though, so I wouldn't worry too much about it...

Peregrina · 27/04/2021 13:27

Good to see that your 'go-to' authority is the Daily Mail instead.

You should know me well enough by now to know that I am a Guardian/FT quoter.

The Mail was a one off, and an exception, because it shows that they are turning on Johnson.

Peregrina · 27/04/2021 13:34

-because we asked him (and his staff) to help the country.

Seeing as we don't have firms like Penlon who have been making such equipment for more than half a century. But we don't know the Brexit credentials of the Penlon Directors, so that's a big no no for them. We also know that Dyson didn't deliver and therefore didn't help the country.

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 14:15

Seeing as we don't have firms like Penlon who have been making such equipment for more than half a century.

From Penlon's website;

By mid-March, the Government had established that up to 30,000 ventilators may be required for the UK’s COVID-19 patients. It would soon become apparent that this was a serious issue because the UK does not make a suitable critical care ventilator, while established international providers were struggling to cope with their own domestic and international demand.

On March 17th the UK Government issued a ‘call to arms.’ ...

www.penlon.com/Blog/May-2020/Penlon,-VentilatorChallengeUK-and-the-ESO-2-Emerge

A range of well known companies were involved;

www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/21/we-made-right-choice-in-ventilator-race-says-uk-consortium-head

We also know that Dyson didn't deliver and therefore didn't help the country.

His efforts were no longer needed. He is helping the country;

14 April 2021
Dyson to create 200 jobs in the UK as part of £2.75bn global investment.

www.mtdmfg.com/news/dyson-to-create-200-jobs-in-the-uk-as-part-of-2-75bn-global-investment/

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 14:18

www.penlon.com/Blog/May-2020/Penlon,-VentilatorChallengeUK-and-the-ESO-2-Emerge

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 14:19

Clearly doesn't like my link.

Peregrina · 27/04/2021 14:31

So Penlon could adapt their device within 24 hours and win approval. Dyson's never did get approval as far as I am aware.

Which is what you would expect - a firm in the business vs. A True Brexiter.

But it was good Brexit publicity and emotional blackmail from both Dyson and Johnson, 'look at us the wonder guys helping the UK'.But like so much of Johnson's doings - the talk is cheap.

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 14:32

Yesterday -

Goldman Sachs sees UK recovery outpacing the U.S. this year.

The U.K.‘s flash composite purchasing managers’ index reading for April surged to 60 from 56.4 in March, its highest level since November 2013.

^Retail sales also beat expectations in March to climb 5.4% from the previous month, while a GfK survey showed British consumer sentiment this month rising to its highest point since the pandemic.
Goldman Sachs has now upped its growth forecast to a “striking” 7.8% for 2021.^

www.cnbc.com/2021/04/26/goldman-sachs-sees-uk-recovery-outpacing-the-us-this-year.html

Clavinova · 27/04/2021 14:51

So Penlon could adapt their device within 24 hours and win approval.

Penlon created an emergency device;

The purpose of the ESO 2 is to save lives by ventilating the sickest patients until they are strong enough to be transferred to one of the limited number of ICU ventilators available for recovery.

Penlon and Smiths (another small company) were still only able to produce 50 - 60 devices a week between them - a consortium was needed to upscale manufacturing;

In total, the 33-strong consortium has seen over 5,500 people working around the clock across nine sites to deliver both models of ventilator into the NHS.

Together, Penlon and Smiths would ordinarily have combined capacity to produce between 50 and 60 ventilators per week. Today the consortium is producing between 100-200 of the combined units per day as it seeks to deliver increased ventilator capacity to the UK.

The Guardian link 21 April 2020;

The consortium, which includes corporate names including Airbus, Rolls-Royce and McLaren, has supplied 250 ventilators to hospitals, with “hundreds” to follow this week and maximum output slated for early May.

Meanwhile, new devices made by engineer Dyson and defence firm Babcock are awaiting regulatory approval, while other projects have been cancelled after the government upgraded its requirements for the machines, rendering some unsuitable.

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