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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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Peregrina · 14/05/2021 23:41

Our border enforcement officers were attempting to remove two people who were suspected of being here illegally.

Suspected being the key word. Innocent until proved guilty use to be the rule in this country. By all means take them to court to establish the proof of their status, but that from what we can gather wasn't what happened.

HannibalHayeski · 15/05/2021 01:51

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Peregrina · 15/05/2021 07:17

Chris Grey's weekly blogspot.

Once more we await Brexiters coming along to pick holes in it, not to provide firm evidence of how Brexit is a bonus on what we had in the EU. NB this means what it says, not which areas have we seen a climb down/ further talks by Johnson and cronies. One of which
www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-fishermen-regain-Jersey-rights-pending-further-talks

Rumoured also that 17 EU countries might allow musicians visa free access. Prior to 31st December last year this was of course, 27 countries, and didn't need someone to go running round and spend 4 months negotiating a partial replacement. This piece of news came up on my phone but the link disappeared.

LostToucan · 15/05/2021 08:57

Oops, somebody seems to be making breaching the Ministerial Code a bit of a habit:

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/priti-patel-in-glaring-20-million-ppe-lobbying-storm-269533/amp/

Peregrina · 15/05/2021 09:21

Dominic Grieve appears to have the right response there, but those Tories who are still in the party just seem to go 'Whatever'.

BlackeyedSusan · 15/05/2021 10:16

Aldi have used British branding for a few years (I had to go to other supermarkets to find foreign carrots at the end of storage life of local carrots as the British ones kept going off too quickly)

BlackeyedSusan · 15/05/2021 10:18

Arse sorry. That was to math, but had not updated so appeared to be a more recent post I think.

DuncinToffee · 15/05/2021 10:45

I do find it funny that brexiteers keep using Aldi and Lidl as examples.

BlackeyedSusan · 15/05/2021 10:54

@DuncinToffee your post does not make sense, please explain.

DuncinToffee · 15/05/2021 11:10

Aldi and Lidl, both being German supermarket chains.
Might just be me Smile

prettybird · 15/05/2021 11:15

It's not just you @DuncinToffee - I knew what you were getting at Grin

Dh and I are also always amused by the way they are referred to as "discounters", to differentiate them from the "real" supermarkets Hmm

But that's not really a Brexit thing Wink

HannibalHayeski · 15/05/2021 11:18

From the creators of “Brexit: It enabled us to roll out the vaccination faster than the EU” comes a new epic tale “Brexit: We so desperately wanted a trade deal with India that we left our borders open and imported a mutated variant”. In cinemas soon.

yellowspanner · 15/05/2021 11:29

Pointythings, the illegal immigrants that I am talking about are the 2 Indian men in Glasgow that the Border Force were trying to arrest. It is nothing to do with EU nationals

yellowspanner · 15/05/2021 11:31

Wewereliars, what "despicable regime" are you referring to please

DuncinToffee · 15/05/2021 11:35

@HannibalHayeski

From the creators of “Brexit: It enabled us to roll out the vaccination faster than the EU” comes a new epic tale “Brexit: We so desperately wanted a trade deal with India that we left our borders open and imported a mutated variant”. In cinemas soon.
Have you seen the twitter thread by Sky's Ed Conway twitter.com/edconwaysky/status/1393271922595667971?s=21
Clavinova · 15/05/2021 11:38

mathanxiety
Waitrose - We're backing British
Aldi - We’re committed to sourcing our products from the UK
Is this the way you prepare your customers for shortages of imported foods?

No - these supermarkets were keen to reassure their customers that they would not be selling chlorinated chicken from a potential US trade deal - the stuff that you have to eat in your home town (in the US). Grin

HarrietPierce · 15/05/2021 11:38

It was heart warming to see the compassion shown by the people of Glasgow for those 2 men who they referred to as their neighbours.

mrslaughan · 15/05/2021 11:38

@yellowspanner

Our border enforcement officers were attempting to remove two people who were suspected of being here illegally. I support that. How can anyone defend people coming here and remaining here illegally. It is breaking the laws of our country.
If you believe that you are completely Ignorant of how the HO works - they regularly break the countries own laws( and why is that necessary- with the majority the Tories have). I have seen it for my self with two married couples. The HO does not play by the rules. I personally have experienced the hostile environment.

But you keep up with your dog whistles.....

mrslaughan · 15/05/2021 11:41

[quote LostToucan]Oops, somebody seems to be making breaching the Ministerial Code a bit of a habit:

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/priti-patel-in-glaring-20-million-ppe-lobbying-storm-269533/amp/[/quote]
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.....
And all that....

Peregrina · 15/05/2021 11:44

German supermarket chains I assume is what's funny.

wewereliars · 15/05/2021 12:11

Yellowspanner the one governing the UK

Clavinova · 15/05/2021 12:11

To be fair to Priti Patel she made an insensitive observation about the expected 'no-deal' consequences on Ireland (as per the UK) - but not actually what she was reported as saying ('starve Ireland'). She didn't specifically mention food shortages, or make any threats to prevent food supplies getting through to Ireland. The government report she was referring to also highlighted significant loss of GDP for Ireland as a consequence of a 'no-deal' Brexit.

Clavinova · 15/05/2021 12:41

pointythings
But they were not doing anything illegal. One of them was going to stay with relatives and help out with childcare, unpaid. Not illegal - unless EU nationals are now not allowed to stay with their relatives when they need a bit of help, for a short while?

She was coming to the UK to work as an au pair;

Marta, 24, was supposed to work as au pair in London. However, without a working visa, she was sent to the Colnbrook Immigration Removal Centre...

Giuseppe had sent his cousin Marta a letter signed by him to enter the UK as an au pair, welcoming her for some time in his family. Due to COVID and the suspension of tourism and leisure travel, non-residents could enter the UK only for work purposes in recent months. However, Marta had not applied for the required work visa. Giuseppe's letter gave reasons for travelling family reunification and an offer of work with the possibility of remuneration.

Government Guidelines -

Hiring an au pair
You can hire an au pair if they:

are from the UK or Ireland
are from an EU country and have settled or pre-settled status under the EU Settlement Scheme, or are eligible to apply under the EU Settlement Scheme
have a Youth Mobility Scheme visa
If none of these apply, you need to check the au pair’s visa conditions for their right to work before hiring them.

www.gov.uk/au-pairs-employment-law/au-pairs

Surely, the doctor and his wife have read these guidelines (or something similar) because they gave the young woman a letter of invitation which seems to fit the criteria in the link;

Au pair arrangements -
...a signed letter of invitation from the host family that includes details of their stay, for example accommodation, living conditions, approximate working hours, free time, pocket money.

In the circumstances it doesn't sound as though she should have been sent to a detention centre for 12 hours before her flight home - but I expect Covid restrictions and a lack of flights have exasperated the situation.

HarrietPierce · 15/05/2021 12:57

Well Giuseppe, an NHS doctor and his wife, a nurse, are so disgusted by their relative's treatment they are considering leaving the UK and its hostile environment.

yellowspanner · 15/05/2021 13:11

Wewereliars
The UK is a democracy. The Government has a huge majority because so many people agree with their policies and voted for them. The fact that you don't agree with them does not mean they are a despicable regime.

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