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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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mrslaughan · 13/05/2021 18:12

So I know regulars have become increasingly cynical about the BBC - well rightly so

twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1392875339064426502?s=21

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.
Clavinova · 13/05/2021 18:17

Even though a lot of our food is imported Waitrose need to be congratulated for aiming to reduce food miles as well as supporting local producers and buying from UK suppliers where possible.

Well said.

^Dorset fishermen buoyed by Waitrose support – Waitrose has become the first major UK supermarket chain to sell MSC certified British clams, which are now on sale at counters across 150 of its stores, with sustainable British cockles due to enter its counters later in the summer [2020]

The Dorset Shellfish Company, which provides many of its clams and cockles to Michelin grade restaurants around the country, has never supplied produce directly to supermarkets before due to the usually high demand from the restaurant trade. But with the food service industry closed due to Covid for the best part of three months and with some restaurants only just beginning to reopen, Waitrose has provided a much needed lifeline to Dorset fishermen whose livelihoods have been at stake during this uncertain and challenging period.

fishfocus.co.uk/dorset-fishermen-buoyed-by-waitrose-support/

Peregrina · 13/05/2021 18:20

I have consistently said that there needs to be a sustained marketing campaign to get britons to eat shellfish. After all, if it works for sushi, why not?

FrankieStein402 · 13/05/2021 19:10
DGRossetti · 13/05/2021 19:24

People in Scotland standing up to be counted

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57100259

Two men who were being detained in an immigration van which was surrounded by protesters have been released.

The move followed a standoff between police officers and protesters in Kenmure Street on Glasgow's southside.

Early on Thursday people surrounded the Home Office vehicle believed to contain two immigrants who had been removed from a flat.

Hundreds gathered in the area, with one man crawling under the van to prevent it form moving.

(contd)

It's hard to fight the suspicion that more than a few people in England would have lined the streets cheering.

TatianaBis · 13/05/2021 20:25

[quote Clavinova]TatianaBis
80% of British food is imported

Not according to this article in Countryfile magazine;

The UK grows 61% of the food it eats, according to the National Farming Union (NFU),Tim Lang, Professor of Food Policy at City, University of London, and DEFRA’s Agriculture in the UK paper (July 2017). Government sources sometimes quote a figure of 75% but this excludes ‘non-indigenous’ items such as exotic fruit – bananas and mangoes, tea, coffee and spices – foods that cannot be grown (either at all or on a meaningful scale) in the UK.

www.countryfile.com/news/can-the-uk-feed-itself-after-brexit/[/quote]
@Clavinova

Haha. Countryfile.

In fact 80% of food is imported into the UK.

The government tends to try to include food processed in the UK as UK food, even though the ingredients may have been imported. Eg composite products, or tea which is processed in the UK but we don’t grow it.

When imported ingredients are counted, the actual figure is over 80%.

TatianaBis · 13/05/2021 20:26

@Peregrina

I have consistently said that there needs to be a sustained marketing campaign to get britons to eat shellfish. After all, if it works for sushi, why not?
No-one needs to campaign to get me to eat shellfish. 😬

Send me all your lobster and scallops.

Peregrina · 13/05/2021 20:34

I can well believe that 80% of food is imported. I know that the country hasn't been able to feed itself since about 1850, and the population has grown significantly since then.

Of course there is food which could be grown locally - we used to have a lot of apple orchards near me, and they have virtually all gone now. If Brexit did bring back locally grown food then I think it would be something of a bonus, but Liz Truss and co seem more interested in running literally to the other side of the world to get food deals.

Eve · 13/05/2021 20:57

Also conveniently overlooked in the buy British import figures is how much of the animal feed, medicines, fertilisers, machinery, seeds and everything else needed to produce British food needs to be imported.

Most British beef isn’t just fed on nice green grass and butchered by a nice local farmer! (unless you want to pay £££s)

HappyWinter · 13/05/2021 21:52

Thanks for the video FrankieStein. I'll never understand why they didn't close the borders when it really mattered. Appalled at their attitude to refugees. I'm concerned about the Indian variant spreading so quickly in Bolton, I hope they don't make the same mistakes again and not act quickly enough. They should have been doing the surge vaccinations already, they could have diverted some of the vaccine supply and if it became apparent that the variant wasn't more transmissible, they could stop and resume the age based vaccination schedule across all areas.

Melassa · 13/05/2021 21:55

Absolutely appalled at this
I know it’s in the Guardian as well but this is from an Italian perspective. The poor girl was going to work for her cousin as an au pair and was detained and sent back. No access to UK resident relatives until much later or consular assistance.

There is no way I’m sending my DD to visit family in the UK when travel resumes this summer. She is old enough to travel by herself and has perfect accentless English, but only an Italian passport. The thought of her being sent to a detention centre and not being able to contact anyone fills me with dread.

Anyone else thought it odd that those detained appeared only to be from what the UK considers the poorer EU countries? I see no mention of Germans, Dutch or Swedes, for example? Unless I missed it?

borntobequiet · 13/05/2021 22:25

Surely everyone supports reducing the distances food has to travel in order to help with our carbon neutral targets.

Joining the CPTPP the first step on this journey, surely.

Peregrina · 13/05/2021 23:45

Joining the CPTPP the first step on this journey, surely.

This may of course be due to their dismal knowledge of geography.

Peregrina · 14/05/2021 00:01

This link about the case Melassa mentions says that the girl's cousin and his wife are a doctor and nurse and are now thinking of leaving Britain as a result.

Welcome to global Britain.

However this case is getting attention elsewhere, I have already seen two facebook links about it, so it's not slipped under the radar. I was also encouraged to see the Glasgow action earlier. Thankfully we are not all made in the mould of Priti Patel.

prettybird · 14/05/2021 00:17

On the Pollokshields protests (in the heart of where I live Smile), I suspect that the Home Office was cloth-eared enough to assume it could get away with deporting 2 Sikhs today as the Muslims would be busy celebrating Eid Hmm. It assumed wrong Grin And in this close knit and diverse community, it wasn't just the Asians protesting. It was truly multi-cultural Smile

I couldn't get along to the protest as we had done pre-arranged meetings (much to ds' disgust who was demanding that we go along in his place as, being in Aberdeen, he couldn't get there himself) but when I went to the greengrocer later (place was still hoaching with police Shock), the lady in front of me (Scottish “white”, middle class) in the queue was saying to the owner (Scottish Asian) how proud she was of Pollokshields and Glasgow, but that her son was going to be getting into trouble as he’d never made it to school and had been seen on TV sitting blocking the van Grin (she wasn't bothered by the blocking of the van; it was that he'd missed school Wink)

mathanxiety · 14/05/2021 03:16

Waitrose - We're backing British;
Aldi - We’re committed to sourcing our products from the UK;

Is this the way you prepare your customers for shortages of imported foods?

mathanxiety · 14/05/2021 03:31

'Maria' and 'Eugenia' don't appear to have had have job interviews lined up at all and specific details regarding the other detainees has been taken at face value from their 'hearsay'.

Where in the rules does it say you have to have an interview lined up?

My freedom had been taken away and I couldn’t get legal advice.”
And what of habeas corpus?
Detention without charge and with no access to legal representation. Not a good look.

mathanxiety · 14/05/2021 03:33

And unless you are in a court, which Maria and Eugenia were not, because they were detained without charge, 'hearsay' is moot.

mathanxiety · 14/05/2021 06:40

Even though a lot of our food is imported Waitrose need to be congratulated for aiming to reduce food miles as well as supporting local producers and buying from UK suppliers where possible.

I await with bated breath the realisation that the UK doesn't produce many modern staples.

DGRossetti · 14/05/2021 07:45

@Melassa

Absolutely appalled at this I know it’s in the Guardian as well but this is from an Italian perspective. The poor girl was going to work for her cousin as an au pair and was detained and sent back. No access to UK resident relatives until much later or consular assistance.

There is no way I’m sending my DD to visit family in the UK when travel resumes this summer. She is old enough to travel by herself and has perfect accentless English, but only an Italian passport. The thought of her being sent to a detention centre and not being able to contact anyone fills me with dread.

Anyone else thought it odd that those detained appeared only to be from what the UK considers the poorer EU countries? I see no mention of Germans, Dutch or Swedes, for example? Unless I missed it?

And she was white.
Eve · 14/05/2021 07:47

Once holidays are allowed wonder how long before the complaints about France & Spain being ‘difficult’

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1392170998104043521.html

loginfail · 14/05/2021 08:22

[quote Eve]Once holidays are allowed wonder how long before the complaints about France & Spain being ‘difficult’

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1392170998104043521.html[/quote]
There's not unsurprisingly been much alarm and debate about those rules on at least one expat forum.

As the article does say the legislation in some way, shape or form has been in place for years, applicable for those arriving from a "third country".

I've never heard tell of the police aux frontières here in France actually demanding an "attestation d'accueil" off anybody arriving from the likes of the States, ...but doesn't mean it can't happen.

TheElementsSong · 14/05/2021 09:40

Amongst those who are able to consider multiple concepts simultaneously, it is possible to fully support minimising food miles, buying local, observe that we are far from self-sufficient in food and realise that these things all come with a price.

Peregrina · 14/05/2021 10:06

Food miles work both ways. It's the same distance supplying food to Japan or Mexico as it would be for them to supply the UK. A pretty obvious point, I would have thought, but one which appears to have escaped Liz Truss's notice and the Government advice. Can't export your cheese to the EU - which will go by a short channel crossing and truck - but no, export to somewhere where for fresh food the only viable option is by air.

The Norwegians, for example, export live King crabs from their Arctic waters, which are airfreighted to Japan to be sold for a premium in their top class restaurants. It has to be a premium product for it to be cost effective - so obvious, that I would not have thought it was worth pointing out.

Peregrina · 14/05/2021 10:34

This is quite long, 18 minutes, but it is worth watching. It's relevant to our discussion of the deportation of the Italian girl, which he mentions at about 15 minutes in. This was all over the press in France and Italy two weeks ago, although it's only just broken here - what sort of message is it sending out? Not that Britain is global and welcoming.

He also mentions the situation and numbers of illegal immigrants coming over from Calais - also worth taking note of.

Yes, he's preaching to the converted with this, it won't cut through to those Brexiters who voted to stop immigration.

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