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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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DGRossetti · 09/05/2021 15:56

Jayda Fransen is set to have a very tense meeting with her 50 friends and family after she secured just 46 votes in the Glasgow Southside, James Felton tweeted shortly after her humiliating defeat.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/reaction-as-far-right-bigot-jayda-fransen-wins-just-46-votes-in-glasgow-southside-268630/

It seems Scotlands place in the Union is to resist fascism.

Peregrina · 09/05/2021 16:14

I very much get the impression that the Tories are rattled by the Scottish results.

Piggywaspushed · 09/05/2021 16:29

Ah, OK prettybird. Tories in Glasgow, eh??!

That little BBC clip in your link has made my day DGR.

DGRossetti · 09/05/2021 16:40

@Piggywaspushed

Ah, OK prettybird. Tories in Glasgow, eh??!

That little BBC clip in your link has made my day DGR.

It used to be a matter of pride for the English that they mainly laughed Moseley and his bully boy fascist thugs out of town wherever they went (battle of Cable Street etc).

Sadly they're now feted on BBC One - for "balance" of course.

DGRossetti · 09/05/2021 16:58

I suspect there will be two reactions to this in this thread ...

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Peregrina · 09/05/2021 17:10

DGR - a poster on another thread tried to convince me that the vaccine roll out was due to the procurement of them and the managers, rather than the NHS staff actually doing the injections. So on that basis, I would say that it would be Dave who had to be sacked.

prettybird · 09/05/2021 17:11

As late as the 70s, Glasgow was led by "Progressives" (an anti-Labour grouping)/Conservatives Shock

The Scots used to be naturally conservative ( small C ) so weren't uniformly "Labour"/Left wing. The Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party used to be in the "One Nation" mould - but the UK party has put paid to that. Hmm

Not that I would ever vote Tory but I look forward, in an independent Scotland, for the right of centre party to re-invent itself and form a decent and constructive opposition.

Yes I know that pigs might fly Sad

DGRossetti · 09/05/2021 17:14

The Scots used to be naturally conservative ( small C )

Well the progression has been that now all Tories are very much "big C"

Piggywaspushed · 09/05/2021 17:19

I remember being friends with a local Tory's daughter in Glasgow in the 70s. I can only remember her first name now but they were well known locally. I grew up in Roy Jenkins land and then moved to George Galloway land via a detour of Donald Dewar. Quite the range!

Peregrina · 09/05/2021 17:40

prettybird - what do you think caused the change? IMO it seemed to be Thatcher trying out the Poll Tax in Scotland.

On the elections generally we hear the press trumpeting Labour Lose County Durham - Labour are still the largest party . Elsewhere some of the Tory wins have been from NOC. In other areas the Tories are losing to NOC. I just did a tally and so far it's 3 Tory to NOC vs 6 Labour - so it's not quite the rip roaring success for the Tories as it would first appear. The real losers have been UKIP in its various forms. It may be that those voters have gone (back) to the Tories

Don't forget that a lot of councils didn't have elections this year.

Peregrina · 09/05/2021 17:55

Technically Oxon County Council declared as a Tory hold. 22 seat to 21 others. But note the technically - one was declared for the Conservative when it should have been Labour, so there will need to be an election court to correct the result.

Peregrina · 09/05/2021 17:58

Correction according to the BBC - shown as NOC, which is No Change. Without looking at all the seats I think the Tories would still be the largest party.

prettybird · 09/05/2021 18:01

Not sure @Peregrina Confused

Never having voted Tory and coming from a Labour voting household (to, at the time, my Dad's medic colleagues' bewilderment Wink - although Dad did vote Conservative in his first election in the UK - 1964?), I have never understood the mindset.

I think Thatcher was the nail in the coffin but she just accelerated it. The Poll Tax/Testing Ground was absolutely the final straw.

According to a guy from the Kings Fund (Robert Maxwell: talking to the course I was on in the day that the other Robert Maxwell disappeared off his boat, which is why I remember his name Grin), the UK has been moving away from the post War "Welfare State " consensus/sense of communal societal responsibility ever since WW2 but with the exception of Scotland - so maybe it goes back to them. It also explains the strength of the Scottish One Nation Tories until the last 10 years or do.

Piggywaspushed · 09/05/2021 18:13

I juts read that there was a caller to NBC who rated the Tories in Hartlepool because they had 'given them 9 foodbanks' and they never had those under Labour...

Piggywaspushed · 09/05/2021 18:16

I think Scotland was Thatcher but not just poll tax : also miners, steelworks etc. But also a run of beloved non Tory politicians (s0me now not so beloved- eg Charles Kennedy) and a fairly rum bunch of English sounding Tories.

The UK has moved generally towards being an individualistic culture since Thatcher too whereas once more collectivist. I have graphs that show Scotland as being more collectivist than England so that works as a theory.

mrslaughan · 09/05/2021 19:27

I am sure Clav will be along to give us her hot take on why this is really good for the British economy......

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-06/jpmorgan-to-move-another-200-billion-in-assets-on-brexit

HannibalHayeski · 09/05/2021 20:53

More winning.

"Exodus of EU truckers leaves UK hauliers facing acute driver shortages"

Menomadness · 09/05/2021 21:20

Hello everybody. I don't post often but keep up to date with the postings here. Not Brexit related but in my area we have had a brilliant weekend in the locals. Not only did our town independent( great guy, does loads locally) win a seat but that seat put our Tory council into NOC. The absolute best news though was our Mayoral election was won by labour. The guy who won it is local dr. and is a very genuine person. The count was absolutely nail biting! Talk about down to the wire on 2nd pref votes.
Although I understand from the guardian that the government are going to change how mayoral elections work from now. Wonder why? Hmm

Peregrina · 09/05/2021 21:40

Although I understand from the guardian that the government are going to change how mayoral elections work from now. Wonder why?

I haven't looked at the individual results but I know that Andy Burnham won outright and I think I am correct in saying that had it been FPTP Sadiq Kahn would have won any way. So Tory attempts at vote rigging might not necessarily work.

Menomadness · 09/05/2021 21:54

We are Cambridgeshire. The vote went to second pref and LD out ( conservatives would have won FPTP) LD voters gave Labour as second pref. It was a very big surprise for Labour to have won. City is as Labour but the other areas are mainly blue excluding south Cambs with certain parts of county who voted Brexit/ UKIP going back to conservatives.

HannibalHayeski · 09/05/2021 22:31

Poor Brexshitters, finding that individual EU countries also have sovereignty.

Who'd a thunk it?

RedToothBrush · 09/05/2021 23:22

@Peregrina

I very much get the impression that the Tories are rattled by the Scottish results.
The next big thing in politics is localism. Where its being done well by the other political parties it shows up how shit the Tories are. We know that the big divide in politics splits between metropolitian areas and provincial/rural areas in terms of how people vote.

Where there has been devolution and another party has got in, its usually done well for them. See Scotland, the Mayors of Manchester and Liverpool and the Welsh Assembly for good examples. This is part of the reason devolution is very firmly off the political agenda.

The Tories also know that Labour haven't figured out that localism is the next big thing in politics. They have just announced that they intend to stop the 'brain drain to the cities' too which will go down really well in provisional areas. So we are seeing a centralised policy which is focusing on the regions because this plays to the Tory strategy. At least for the time being.

Scotland really is an issue going forward. Its not a surprise to us here. Brexit was always going to accelerate this given the difference in voting and how this was ignored.

The Tories CAN NOT have a referedum because they well know they CAN NOT win it with this trend in politics now. They will never freely allow another referedum. So we are going to face years of this.

I don't know how its resolved because the Tories can't use central power to influence Scottish voters in the same way they can in parts of England because of how devolution works. And there will only be a rise in anti-Westminister sentiment as the government blocks Scotland's will. Which is probably what the SNP know, and if they are wise they will merely bide their time to increase their chances of winning when it does eventually happen as it will almost certainly come to a crunch at some point...

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HannibalHayeski · 09/05/2021 23:36

Remember how companies have been promised close to zero import duties by setting up in Boris Johnson's 8 new freeports? (C&p has been banging on about these I seem to recall)

Funnily enough, it turns out there are clauses in post-Brexit free trade agreements (FTAs) with 23 countries which effectively negate those benefits...

LostToucan · 10/05/2021 03:12

The freeport tax cock up is front page on the FT: Post-Brexit deals scotch freeport tax benefits for trade with 23 countries.

Oops.

Still, freeports will be useful for tax evasion and money laundering by the wealthy.

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.
LostToucan · 10/05/2021 03:24

Oh, and Grease-Smugg told the BBC last night that the Queen’s Speech will include legislation to repeal the FTPA.

Boris to Scotland: now is not the time to have an independence referendum.

Boris to UK: let’s have a general election!

Wonder what they’ll try to slip through in the small print?

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