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Brexit

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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prettybird · 09/05/2021 09:20

I now refuse to wear a poppy for exactly that reason, having happily made a choice to wear them as soon as I became an adult. Hmm

I'll still contribute to Legion Scotland though.

Peregrina · 09/05/2021 09:23

I am exactly the same prettybird and will happily put some money in the collection box, but won't now wear a poppy.

Piggywaspushed · 09/05/2021 09:39

When I was at school (so many years ago) we all had to wear a poppy, or got in to trouble. One year , some of wore white poppies and got a proper bollocking. This was in Glasgow at the height of CND and The Troubles. I think they have, for me, actually become less political since then. Forcing them is never right. Remember the fuss about the NI footballer?

The one place poppy fascism doesn't exist now is schools. Hardly any kids or teachers wear them . I would be most unsurprised if the current breed of Tories don't try to insist schools actively encourage them.

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borntobequiet · 09/05/2021 10:34

We like cats on this thread but that’s pushing it.

dontcallmelen · 09/05/2021 10:52

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DGRossetti · 09/05/2021 11:05

For Fox' sake ...

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/laurence-fox-and-richard-tice-to-open-a-pub-serving-only-british-food-268562/

Laurence Fox and Richard Tice have announced they will be opening a pub in central London serving “only British food” and requiring no “vaccine passports and no masks”.

Piggywaspushed · 09/05/2021 11:20

Aren't Fox's family embarrassed? He is just becoming a ridiculous self parody. Is he entirely well?

Piggywaspushed · 09/05/2021 11:21

And what on earth is only British food??

Peregrina · 09/05/2021 11:28

And what on earth is only British food??

We have been having a debate about this on a facebook page.
Fish and chips - no, chips originated in Belgium
Chicken tikka masala - a possibility if it was invented in Birmingham but no rice, and what about the spices used? So no, that looks to be out.
Turnips - yes pretty safe with those.

prettybird · 09/05/2021 11:37

No tomatoes or potatoes either - pesky foreign invaders Wink

Lonelycrab · 09/05/2021 11:49

I was going to say spam but apparently not. Ditto baked beans-nope!

Peregrina · 09/05/2021 12:18

No. Spam is an American war time import.

EdwinPootsLovesArchaeology · 09/05/2021 12:31

Bread, porridge and dairy products. Some meats. Some root vegetables.

Are we accepting foods introduced during the Roman period?

EdwinPootsLovesArchaeology · 09/05/2021 12:33

@Peregrina

No. Spam is an American war time import.
Is it? I bought a tin last year for my store cupboard.

Why I think anyone else would possibly be interested in that, I really don't know.

Peregrina · 09/05/2021 12:49

Spam initially came from the USA during the War, when food was difficult. I have no idea where it comes from now, but I do have a tin in the cupboard.

Peregrina · 09/05/2021 12:54

Oxford City stays determinedly Labour with them losing only 3 votes - one each to LibDems/Greens and an Independent. It was and still is, a Tory free zone. One never knows what flavour the Independents come in but prior to the previous set of City elections I think the Greens had 4 seats, so they are just getting back to where they were.

Piggywaspushed · 09/05/2021 13:05

Savoury pies??

Eating game?

Apples?

Peregrina · 09/05/2021 13:43

We mock, but there really is scope for eateries doing good English cooking. We should be proud of decent culinary traditions like our cheeses. We don't need it wrapped up in flags though.

DGRossetti · 09/05/2021 13:45

British food ?

Haggis; traybakes; Welsh cake.

QueenOfThorns · 09/05/2021 13:56

Sussex pond pudding

HesterThrale · 09/05/2021 14:02

Peregrina interesting that Oxford City has no elected Conservatives. Neither does Cambridge City. (Nor Norwich, or Liverpool, or Manchester.)

Piggywaspushed · 09/05/2021 14:21

Nor Glasgow I assume!!

borntobequiet · 09/05/2021 14:25

Spam = SPiced hAM. Apparently.

prettybird · 09/05/2021 15:00

Because our councils are elected under STV in multi-councillor wards, there are a few Conservative councillors in Glasgow. For long enough, there was just a single one (who happened to serve our ward and was actually a hard working and effective councillor on local issues) before it moved to STV, but there are now 7.

There was only, as far as I am aware, only ever one UKIP/Brexit Party person elected at any level in Scotland and that was the execrable David Coburn who got in in 2014 as an MEP under "last man standing", ahead of the Green Party Candidate. Just checked and the Brexit Party guy was briefly an MEP in 2019. But the point still stands: Scotland only ever had a single UKIP/Brexit Party person in an elected position at a time.

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