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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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Peregrina · 02/05/2021 10:02

Observer article on Johnson sleaze.

I note particularly the comment by someone called Hakadalan

And now it seems that the moderating influence of a mature partner with sound judgement is lacking. In its stead stands someone that seems to amplify his worst impulses.

I think that is significant. If he had still been married to Marina Warner I doubt whether there would have been a £200,000 refurbishment in the first place.

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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.
DGRossetti · 02/05/2021 10:11

If he had still been married to Marina Warner I doubt whether there would have been a £200,000 refurbishment in the first place.

But he also wouldn't be PM. As with God, he's been created in the image of those that benefit from him.

Exactly as with God. The two are indivisible.

FatCatThinCat · 02/05/2021 11:33

Just catching up on the collapse of the Norway fishing agreement.
Seems that it's as a result of the UK government's cakeism. It was agreed that everything would continue as it was pre brexit until it came to put it in writing, at which point the UK reneged on what it had agreed.

westminsterwatch.quora.com/No-Leaver-ever-expresses-regrets-for-destroying-an-industry-which-Brexit-claimed-to-protect-And-yet-sovereignty-of-our?ch=10&share=e5338b3e&srid=tLJLp&fbclid=IwAR2ool7NzQPtBAhq8mmYhix5XHjPOSFgBGvNvjm0pPUT4eQtUy-HAoLk0C4

HannibalHayeski · 02/05/2021 11:39

The government's own report on fishing.

Quantity of landings Feb 2020 to Feb 2021 down 60%. Value of landings down 54%.

It's all going swimmingly, c&p, ain't it if you're a fish?

prettybird · 02/05/2021 11:43

But they're happy fish Wink

FatCatThinCat · 02/05/2021 11:49

Also seen reports this morning that Tory donors are pissed at being asked for money to pay for De Piffle's nanny. He's the ultimate benefits scrounger isn't he.

Peregrina · 02/05/2021 11:55

The Government really ought to have known that Norway would stand firm on its fishing. This as far as I remember is why they voted no to entering the EEC back in 1973.

mrslaughan · 02/05/2021 12:16

@FatCatThinCat

Also seen reports this morning that Tory donors are pissed at being asked for money to pay for De Piffle's nanny. He's the ultimate benefits scrounger isn't he.
Exactly this.... from the party that victimised poverty....... it's this sort of entitlement that makes me really sick.

Also today in the news about the Royal yacht named after Prince Phillip ..... this is all about Johnson having a yacht to swan around on...... having the lifestyle provided for him that he wishes to become accustomed too.
The Royal family need to distance themselves from this - because it is they that will pay the political cost. Unfortunately I think they will stupidly walk right into this one (William in particular strikes me as someone with no political noise whatsoever)

Peregrina · 02/05/2021 12:22

I cannot see why de Piffle even needed a nanny for the first year. Wasn't Carrie on maternity leave from whatever she did?

HarrietPierce · 02/05/2021 12:25

Buckingham Palace is ‘displeased’ with suggestions made in newspapers that a new Royal Yacht may be commissioned and named after Prince Philip as part of his lasting legacy.

According to Same Coats, Deputy Political Editor at Sky News, officials at the Royal Household are not impressed with recent media reports.

Peregrina · 02/05/2021 12:28

Now I thought that a new Royal Yacht might not be an entirely bad thing, if it was made in a British yard and therefore brought good quality work.

But the chances are if it does go ahead it would be made abroad.

Kendodd · 02/05/2021 12:35

I bet the Tories win big in the coming elections despite all this. Fucking depressing.

Clavinova · 02/05/2021 12:56

If he had still been married to Marina [Wheeler] I doubt whether there would have been a £200,000 refurbishment in the first place.

But he also wouldn't be PM

I think you underestimate the influence Marina Wheeler might have had over Boris Johnson's decision to back the Leave campaign. I have posted the first two links before, but the third link is one I have just spotted;

Feb 2016
Hopes that Boris Johnson will back the campaign for the UK to quit the European Union have been revived, after his wife wrote a lengthy attack on the terms secured by David Cameron.

Marina Wheeler, a lawyer and QC, said the prime minister’s proposed new EU settlement had passed up a chance to repatriate legal powers taken by the European court of justice.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/10/boris-johnson-eu-marina-wheeler-david-cameron-deal-renegotiation

www.legalcheek.com/2017/09/top-qc-renews-attack-on-eu-judges-days-after-husband-bojos-controversial-brexit-piece/

Jan 2021
The unsung hero of Brexit?
If Boris deserves the credit for getting Brexit done, then Marina Wheeler QC deserves some of the credit for getting Boris to back Brexit in the first place.

thecritic.co.uk/the-unsung-hero-of-brexit/

pointythings · 02/05/2021 12:57

Kendodd well, in our town we have a very active independent who has done visible active work benefiting the local community. I don't agree with him on everything - he's pro Brexit for a start - but he's walked the walk and has a real chance of booting the Tory incumbent out, so he gets my vote.

FrankieStein402 · 02/05/2021 13:14

Excellent interview this morning with John Bercow on R4 Broadcasting House

John explaining that pfeffel has 'an insouciant disregard for the truth' and an 'unwillingness to correct untruths' - suggesting that he's not actually a 'liar' because its not clear he intends to lie - he just lets his mouth run away with itself because he doesn't want to be bested!

(and an untypically blunt statement from Bercow of three untruths that pfeffel has failed to correct: economic growth since 2010, no of families in poverty and restoration of the bursary.)

Peregrina · 02/05/2021 13:17

Not sure how opinions Marina Wheeler may or may not have had on the EU or Cameron have any relationship on Boris Johnson's spendthrift ways in No 10. She might have something to do with why he is strapped for cash though, with the divorce not coming cheap.

Peregrina · 02/05/2021 13:27

I don't necessarily agree with William Keegan but I did laugh at Johnson being called Mr Pooter. I can thoroughly recommend Diary of a Nobody.

Clavinova · 02/05/2021 13:31

AuldAlliance
Tone of voice and countenance are important
And yet...

And yet, I thought your clip was an example of where Boris Johnson gets it right - not wrong. His blustering and hesitation with "the politically correct green act of bunny hugging" is lighthearted, and he puts his emphasis on the words "Vital" ...."Growth" and "Jobs." Therefore, he connects with the vast majority of voters in the UK (who are not in fact fully paid up members of Extinction Rebellion or the Green Party) and tells them that change is "vital" but also a positive thing - when most people are probably a bit worried about the pace of change and how all this 'environmental stuff' will affect their livelihoods and day to day lives.

LostToucan · 02/05/2021 13:54

One person’s “lighthearted” is another person’s “FFS, what is this idiot doing now?”.

Clavinova · 02/05/2021 14:55

mathanxiety
But why you think anybody in the UK gives a flying .... about Dr Biden's bathroom is beyond me.

My original link was to Tatler magazine - but I see that readers of the Daily Express have also shown an interest;

www.express.co.uk/news/world/1382024/jill-biden-news-white-house-renovation-melania-trump-backlash-us-election-ont

And incidentally, fwiw, the 'champagne socialists' have hired a minority owned firm to do the bathroom renovation, thus a gesture in the direction of redressing historic wrongs, spreading the wealth, and a case of leading by example.

A superficial claim in my opinion as the company concerned clearly has an established track record with US government services;

www.holmes-mechanical.com/government-services/

if they decide to renovate what is very likely a gilded chamber of horrors

Feb 2017
Everybody in the decorating world today is wondering: Who is Tham Kannalikham, the New York interior designer that Melania and Donald J. Trump have chosen to put their stamp on the White House’s private quarters?

Tham Kannalikham, a Laotian-American veteran who owns her own firm, Kannalikham Designs...

Eighteenth-century buildings, interiors, and culture—French, English, American, Irish—are definitely among Kannalikham’s passions, and she’s been a regular presence at events hosted by the Institute of Classical Architecture & Art, including an eight-day ICAA tour in 2015 of great country houses in Ireland and Northern Ireland.

www.architecturaldigest.com/story/meet-the-new-white-house-decorator-tham-kannalikham

Nobody gives a rat's ... about the ultimate appearance of any redecoration or renovation.
The cost is known, the source of the money is known, and that is all that matters.

You have obviously missed some of the threads on AIBU. I think Peregrina's suggestion to Dr Biden might be to change the gold-plated taps in the bathrooms and polish up the existing sanitary ware.

Clavinova · 02/05/2021 15:11

mathanxiety
Keep up - Biden has already stated that he will seek re-election in 2024.

USA Today Opinion March 2021;

There's zero chance Joe Biden will run in 2024. Why didn't he dodge the question?

For Biden and his party, the question was a Morton’s fork — one in which all possible answers are undesirable. Declare you’re not running and you become a lame duck almost immediately after taking office, while also placing intense scrutiny on your vice president (and possible successor) Kamala Harris. However, say you do expect to run again and you fire up critics who claim that at 78, you’re already too old, while frustrating Democrats who believed you when you described yourself as a “bridge” president.

“Look, I view myself as a bridge, not as anything else," Biden said just over a year ago. "There's an entire generation of leaders you saw stand behind me. They are the future of this country." Many Biden supporters took that as tacit assurance there would be no second term. ...

eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/03/29/joe-biden-zero-chance-run-for-reelection-2024-column/7036849002/

Clavinova · 02/05/2021 15:39

mathanxiety
That wasn't nit-picking.
It was pointing out your conflation of British and presidential democracies.
In the field of politics, premier implies a parliamentary democracy. President implies a presidential form of democracy. The terms are not fungible in the realm of politics. America does not have a 'premier', nor does France, and no amount of working backwards from 'First Lady' will ever yield acceptable use of 'premier' to denote the President of either the US or France.

You seem very keen to fudge the difference between British and American political systems for some reason. I am here to point out that the absorption of the UK into the US political, regulatory, and economic realm hasn't happened yet.

Who cares? I still think you are nit-picking - so I'm going to stick with;
Biden, Macron and Blair are supposed to be left-leaning premiers -although I fully accept Auld's observation that Macron is leaning to the right these days.

I don't like leftist leaders and left-leaning leaders is too much alliteration for me.

I've googled - The Institute of Export & International Trade Oct 2020;

"Prime minister Boris Johnson phones French premier Emmanuel Macron ahead of crunch EU summit."

As luck would have it, the author is a graduate of Trinity College, Dublin...

www.export.org.uk/news/530135/Prime-minister-Boris-Johnson-phones-French-premier-Emmanuel-Macron-ahead-of-crunch-EU-summit.htm

Clavinova · 02/05/2021 15:40

You seem very keen to fudge the difference between British and American political systems for some reason. I am here to point out that the absorption of the UK into the US political, regulatory, and economic realm hasn't happened yet.

For clarity - that was mathanxiety as well.

GeistohneGrenzen · 02/05/2021 15:52

Peregrina: I don't necessarily agree with William Keegan but I did laugh at Johnson being called Mr Pooter. I can thoroughly recommend Diary of a Nobody

At least Mr Pooter wasn't above doing a bit of DIY - didn't he paint his own bath red?

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