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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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borntobequiet · 02/05/2021 16:17

Don’t most people pay for childcare out of their earnings? Why on Earth should anyone else fund the care of BJ’s progeny?

Peregrina · 02/05/2021 16:29

Not sure what that rash of cut n'paste is about Confused

But I do see that Cutnpastinova missed the one about the Scottish fishing - that the UK's failure to negotiate might actually benefit some of the Scottish fishermen. So we might just have hit on a Brexit bonus that ordinary people might get something from.

But back to Boris Johnson. £840 for one roll of wallpaper is an obscene amount when you set that against those leaseholders who bought properties with Grenfell style cladding and now have to find thousands to get it replaced.

DGRossetti · 02/05/2021 16:32

www.heraldscotland.com/news/19273942.big-read-exclusive-interview-former-intelligence-chief-boris-tory-government-gaslighting-scots-indyref2/

Ciaran Martin was right at the heart of the British government – he was one of the architects of the 2014 referendum, the UK’s lead official on the constitution, and helped run GCHQ. Now, in an explosive intervention on the eve of the Scottish election, he launches a blistering attack blaming the Tory government for putting the union in jeopardy

IF Scotland votes to break with the UK it will be the fault of Boris Johnson’s policy of “Know Your Place Unionism”, according to the influential UK Government official who was one of the architects of the 2014 independence referendum.

Peregrina · 02/05/2021 16:52

I did read that Johnson plans to bung money to Scotland and Wales to 'preserve the Union'. I am afraid that it will be met with extreme cynicism, in Scotland at least, perhaps less so in Wales. With the attitude being that the Westminster Government never bothered before, so why now?

dontcallmelen · 02/05/2021 17:45

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LostToucan · 02/05/2021 17:56

I did read that Johnson plans to bung money to Scotland and Wales to 'preserve the Union'.

Because that worked so well in NI Hmm

longwayoff · 02/05/2021 18:17

Boz is Pooter? Please God one or two of his vast progeny become Lupin. He deserves no less.

DGRossetti · 03/05/2021 11:01

NCP in the ess haitch one tee.

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-9534971/NCP-car-parks-giant-warns-landlords-rent-cuts-bust.html

Interesting to learn how all that eyewatering parking profit was flowing to Japan all these years.

However, writ large, this is another example where the Tory "no such thing as society" and refusal to realise everything is interconnected fails spectacularly. And you now how fucked up the UK is when you discover that it's housebuilders that are most worried about this news, as they simply can't afford to keep on buying up land to keep house prices artificially high at this rate.

Peregrina · 03/05/2021 13:40

Another Brexit Bonus

More red tape duplicating the CE safety mark.

In case that is behind the pay wall, some extracts:

Manufacturers are warning of dramatically rising costs after being told by government officials last week that Britain will not discuss recognising existing European product safety standards from January 1 next year.

Instead, all goods sold in Britain from next year will have to bear a UK CA stamp of approval, replacing the familiar CE mark on everything from laptop power supplies to industrial parts used to make chemical plants.

“The problem is our supply chain all have to be accredited by the standards bodies. This is going to become a real problem for many companies because there are no sources of materials in the UK, only from the EU and elsewhere.

“Our supply chain is going to reduce drastically. They would have to get accredited by the end of the year and they are not even aware of it.”

Just think of the vast number of items which have a CE mark on them. So what exactly will happen? I strongly suspect that a lot of EU firms will find that the volume of business is not worth the effort, and will stop trading with the UK. Others will stump up the cost of dual registration. Costs to be passed on to the taxpayer.

Government response:
The Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy said ministers and officials were working hard to ensure industry was ready for the new rules. Businesses had been given extra time to prepare.

i.e. despite being told of the problems we are going to do b*gger all and let businesses sort it out.

At best we might get a quiet climb down, as we have just seen with the EU ambassador being granted full recognition, instead of the arsing around that we had.

Meanwhile Johnson and girlfriend were messing about doing up an already refurbished flat, and didn't have the wherewithal to pay for it. Champagne tastes on a lemonade budget as one commentator described it.

DGRossetti · 03/05/2021 14:23

The Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy said ministers and officials were working hard to ensure industry was ready for the new rules. Businesses had been given extra time to prepare.

Isn't that a stock response ?

If anyone needs some advice, ask the fishermen. And they wanted Brexit ....

DGRossetti · 03/05/2021 17:03

Interesting tack. And a total capturing of English law. That which is not illegal has to - by constitutional definition - be legal.

I wonder how this tactic would have worked had the union imposed Scots law instead of English law ?

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/sturgeon-pm-cant-block-referendum-as-she-rubbishes-claims-scotland-could-not-buy-covid-vaccine-267576/

Peregrina · 03/05/2021 18:53

Good to see Sturgeon giving credit where it's due:

“And of course the delivery of the vaccination programme in Scotland is down to the sterling efforts and fantastic work of NHS Scotland vaccinators and teams across the country and they have my deep and everlasting appreciation for the fantastic work that they are doing.”

Unlike Johnson who is claiming the vaccine roll out as a triumph of Brexit.

mathanxiety · 03/05/2021 21:35

@Clavinova
Hmm

Ms McElhatton continues:
Prime minister Boris Johnson has told French President Emmanuel Macron the UK wants to “explore every avenue” to secure a UK-EU trade deal, during a phone call on Saturday.

McElhatton is indeed a Trinners grad (social studies and economics), who has had a varied career in marketing, social media management, and editing sports titles and trade mags, including niche areas such as antiques.

When it comes to titles of world leaders, I would be inclined to trust a history or politics graduate, or someone whose journalism career has focused on politics. It's possible she got the title right by accident in the sentence I quoted.

The titles are not fungible. But go you for finding one example of the misuse of premier when writing about the President of the French Republic.

Isn't Google a marvel.

LostToucan · 03/05/2021 21:44

I think I might have to see where I can insert the word “fungible” into a conversation this week. What a great word.

mathanxiety · 03/05/2021 22:30

@Clavinova

“I am honored by the opportunity to be working with the First Lady to make the White House feel like home.”
Tham Kannalikham

From your link:
Eighteenth-century buildings, interiors, and culture—French, English, American, Irish—are definitely among Kannalikham’s passions...and she once designed a sleek two-drawer desk covered almost entirely in zebra hide. Now just imagine some of that cocktail-party sophistication blended together with historic fabric patterns and White House antiques.

Mmmmm, yes, I am sitting here with my eyes closed, just picturing it.

"Home" is this gilded horror, btw:
www.travelandleisure.com/culture-design/architecture-design/trump-tower-donald-trump-penthouse
Although Trump campaigned on the idea of making the country “great again” for working Americans, his big city digs are anything but average in a country where the median household income was $51,939 in 2014. The penthouse, valued at $100 million, is decked out with large chandeliers and plush furnishings, while gold trimmings line the space—from the ceilings and moldings to trays and glasses.

mathanxiety · 03/05/2021 22:33

"You seem very keen to fudge the difference between British and American political systems for some reason. I am here to point out that the absorption of the UK into the US political, regulatory, and economic realm hasn't happened yet."

Clavinova: Who cares?

I would have thought anyone concerned about British 'sovereignty' would care.

It appears I may have been wrong.

HannibalHayeski · 03/05/2021 23:46

Funnily enough, 'sovereignty' doesn't actually matter, because virtually all the people who were shouting so loudly about it haven't a fucking clue what it means.

When Russia is blatantly buying our politicians and elections and our NHS is being sold off to the Americans, suddenly 'sovereignty' doesn't seem to impinge on their consciousness at all...

borntobequiet · 04/05/2021 07:14

Other countries are “investing” in us in a wry pastiche of the way we “invested” in other countries in the days of Empire, just without the brutality and racism, because the continuing development and refinement of global capitalism renders the brutality and racism unnecessary. (NB this does not make me a Communist nor a trembling acolyte of the present Labour Party, nor even a fan of Kier Starmer, just to make it clear.)

DGRossetti · 04/05/2021 07:47

It's hardly news, but Brexiteer full of bullshit. Clav will be along later to c'n'p something irrelevant about what shirts to wear

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/nadine-dorries-says-brexit-has-delivered-180k-jobs-in-hartlepool-267681

Nadine Dorries says Brexit has delivered 180k jobs in Hartlepool -The last census shows there are only 92,028 residents living in the town!|

borntobequiet · 04/05/2021 08:40

Dorries seems to have many of the same intellectual problems as Priti Patel, as well as sharing some personality traits.

Peregrina · 04/05/2021 10:42

Nadine Dorries says Brexit has delivered 180k jobs in Hartlepool -The last census shows there are only 92,028 residents living in the town!

This is like just about every other claim from the Brexiters - it's always jam tomorrow. There will be new jobs, there will be more investment. But the actual results show jobs being lost, businesses having to move their EU trade out.

What for example, do we make of these two competing claims about deals with India:
with EU
with UK

Compare the Boris boosterism of 6000 jobs which might be created with the 400 mentioned in both articles.

I have a weary sense of déjà vu about all this. Remember how foreigners were coming and stealing our crop picking jobs, and that UK people were just itching to do the jobs. Turned out it wasn't like that.

If these deals do arrive well good. If they arrive with visas for thousands of Indians I would be prepared to bet that for ever person like Corcory who welcomes this, there would be 10 who didn't. Farage's support didn't come from nowhere.

Peregrina · 04/05/2021 10:47

It all makes me think that the one time Johnson said F*ck business, it's the one time he told the truth.

LostToucan · 04/05/2021 10:51

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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.
AuldAlliance · 04/05/2021 12:25

Bozzymandias, King of flings...

twitter.com/mikegove12/status/1388021451555491842?s=20

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