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Brexit

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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DGRossetti · 30/04/2021 14:27

@Peregrina

Another Brexit bonus

Dixon's to scrap airport duty free shopping. Now I know that the BeLeavers will say that it's due to Covid causing a falling off in air travel and to some extent that will be true, but Dixon's are blaming Brexit.

Professor Douglas McWilliams, whose CEBR economics consultancy did a major report on the costs to the UK of ending duty free, said: “I’m afraid this will be the first of many.
ListeningQuietly · 30/04/2021 17:21

The weekly essential read
chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-brexit-roots-of-scandals.html

and loving the viral fame of Longboi Smile

borntobequiet · 30/04/2021 17:38

What is lacking in these threads is irrational beliefs and delusions of grandeur with regard to our country. Most of us are deeply distressed by the parlous state the UK is in as a result of the lies and deceit of the Leave campaign and the inability of our current government to negotiate any form of agreement that helps companies that export to the EU get on with their business without endless bureaucratic and financial problems. Oh and the continuing lies and deceit.

mustlovegin · 30/04/2021 17:50

delusions of grandeur with regard to our country

This self-defeating attitude will not take us very far. It's as if some were adamant that the UK did badly to prove a point or something. I don't get it frankly.

ListeningQuietly · 30/04/2021 17:52

mustlovegin
At least the UK does not lock up politicians on false charges and force feed them.
Pride in ones country need not extend to the current government
Trump

pointythings · 30/04/2021 17:57

@mustlovegin

delusions of grandeur with regard to our country

This self-defeating attitude will not take us very far. It's as if some were adamant that the UK did badly to prove a point or something. I don't get it frankly.

And still with the 'if only people would believe. The reality is out there - the fishermen, the small businesses, the people having to pay charges on things they buy that they did not have to pay before, the loss of Erasmus. All those things are real and are happening - nothing to do with us believing really hard in Brexit unicorns. Faith doesn't change how the global economy works. The UK is doing badly. The UK government has done incredibly badly in the Brexit negotiations and is still failing. Only someone wearing Brexit-tinted spectacles can believe otherwise.

This thread is where the realists live. We aren't glad that all this is happening, we're sad. And angry.

borntobequiet · 30/04/2021 18:10

@mustlovegin

delusions of grandeur with regard to our country

This self-defeating attitude will not take us very far. It's as if some were adamant that the UK did badly to prove a point or something. I don't get it frankly.

How is admitting to not having delusions of grandeur self defeating? Should we all have delusions of grandeur? In what way is having any sort of delusion a good thing?
wewereliars · 30/04/2021 18:19

Believing that country and governement are the same is not only factually incorrect but a substantial step on the road to totalitarianism. It is the polar opposite of democracy.
It automatically makes dissent to a current government , which is essential in a properly functioning democracy, seem at best questionable and at worst properly punishable by the ruling party.

Choose your dictatorship of choice for examples.

Such arguments are lazy ignorant and dangerous mustlovegin.

We have enough dangerous morons wrapping themselves in the flag already.

TheElementsSong · 30/04/2021 18:37

If only NonBeLeavers could be compelled to BeLeave enough, that would make everything marvellous Hmm Wow, compelling stuff.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 30/04/2021 19:13

Nothing will ever get better if we stick our fingers in our ears and say everything is just fiiiiiiine.

Clavinova · 30/04/2021 20:32

Peregrina
Dixon's to scrap airport duty free shopping. Now I know that the BeLeavers will say that it's due to Covid causing a falling off in air travel and to some extent that will be true, but Dixon's are blaming Brexit.

I can't see anywhere in your link that Dixon's are blaming Brexit - looks like a (voluntary)Treasury decision to me.

ListeningQuietly · 30/04/2021 20:37

I admit,
I am very, very bored of the
ooh but that negative was not caused by Brexit
narrative.

Where are the positives ?
What are the benefits of Brexit ?
What have we gained ?

If not stfu

Clavinova · 30/04/2021 20:43

Stop posting false claims then.

Peregrina · 30/04/2021 20:43

Yet another Brexit Bonus

From Johnson's point of view Cash for Cushions is probably a good distraction - it pushes Brexit job losses out of the news. It also pushes his "let the bodies pile up" statement out of the news.

Not only that, if he is found to be guilty in the cash for cushions debacle, he will blame Carrie.

wewereliars · 30/04/2021 21:04

What Listeningquiety said

Clavinova · 30/04/2021 21:05

it pushes Brexit job losses out of the news

Auto industry not doing well at the moment.

March 2021
Some 16,000 French auto jobs were lost last year, with the total expected to reach 60,000 over three to five years, according to La Platforme Automobile, the country’s auto lobby.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-18/renault-cost-cuts-set-back-by-few-french-staff-agreeing-to-leave

wewereliars · 30/04/2021 21:20

Clavinova do you enjoy people losing their jobs because they are not in the UK? Do you think that reflects well on you?

Walking away from seemless trade with a massive trading bloc on our doorstep is not made a good desicion because people outside of the UK lose their job. So deeply unpleasnt and lacking any logic.

I have an image of you doing a little dance at the forrins losing their livelihoods, in the manner of old man Steptoe

Jenthefredo · 30/04/2021 21:24

@ListeningQuietly

I admit, I am very, very bored of the ooh but that negative was not caused by Brexit narrative.

Where are the positives ?
What are the benefits of Brexit ?
What have we gained ?

If not stfu

Amen!
borntobequiet · 30/04/2021 21:26

Stop posting false claims then.

That’s very funny, coming from a Brexit supporter.

Clavinova · 30/04/2021 21:36

wewereliars
Clavinova do you enjoy people losing their jobs because they are not in the UK?

No, of course not - but then I wouldn't report job losses in the UK with a Brexit Bonus heading either.

Perhaps you overlooked that - or were you just gaslighting me?

ListeningQuietly · 30/04/2021 21:41

I do not give one iota of a shit about job losses in the EU
they have as little interest to the UK
as a non EU country
as job losses in Uraguay

as the whole point of Brexit was to
look to the whole outside world
and strengthen the UK

SO
Where are the up sides for the uk

  • business improvements
  • trade improvements
  • environmental improvements
  • education / housing / social improvements
LostToucan · 30/04/2021 22:05

I’m so glad that, having recently hopped over to FWR, I have learned the art of Bunbury.

wewereliars · 30/04/2021 22:05

Clavinova no idea what you are talking about, and that's fine with me. Why aren't you out celebrating all the Brexit wins? Because there aren't any.

Clavinova · 30/04/2021 22:24

Where are the up sides for the uk

We are only 4 months in and still recovering from a global pandemic - but lots to look forward to:

Goldman Sachs sees UK recovery outpacing the U.S. this year...

growth forecast [upped] to a “striking” 7.8% for 2021.

www.cnbc.com/2021/04/26/goldman-sachs-sees-uk-recovery-outpacing-the-us-this-year.html

Outside the EU and no longer bound by the EU’s bureaucratic Common Agricultural Policy, the plans set out how government plans to introduce a new system that is tailored in the interests of English farmers, centred on support that rewards farmers and land managers for sustainable farming practices.

www.gov.uk/government/news/government-unveils-path-to-sustainable-farming-from-2021

New trade deals;

UK on track for Australia trade deal in June after 'major breakthroughs'.

www.cityam.com/uk-on-track-for-australia-trade-deal-in-june-after-major-breakthroughs/

Freeports to boost UK manufacturing...

education /housing /social improvements - reducing immigration of unskilled migrants from the EU should improve all three - likewise more emphasis on skilled immigration.

Clavinova · 30/04/2021 22:27

Why aren't you out celebrating all the Brexit wins?

It's a bit nippy outside - although I did go for a nice meal at a local restaurant last weekend - patio heaters on the terrace of course.

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