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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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Jenthefredo · 30/04/2021 08:06

That certainly seems to be the case here DG
Signs advertising for kitchen staff/chefs outside every pub/bistro/cafe locally
Mind you, I know a couple of the places advertising and they treated their staff appallingly so...
Maybe some catering professionals have re trained? Their jobs are very unsafe if the economy tanks (as we've seen since March 2020)

The new posters from yesterday were very entertaining 🐿🐿🐿🐿🐿

LouiseCollins28 · 30/04/2021 08:43

Really interesting peice about hospitality, good post DGR and it's a good peice of journalism from the Beeb as well by the looks. Hadn't thought about furlough eligibilty "gumming up" the flow of people between different employers as it seems to have done, creating a shortage.

I'd been surprised by the proliferation of local adverts too. I was sort of thinking, "why are you advertising for new people, when you can only open outdoors" but this explains it.

My stock position on this kind of thing is that it wholly depends how much people are being paid. This seems to show that in the situation where people leave an "insecure" industry en masse and those who stay cling to their current rights to furlough money (entirely understandably!) in the event of another lockdown, that dynamic doesn't seem to work as normal.

Peregrina · 30/04/2021 08:50

OED definition of dilapidated: state of bad repair, falling into decay.

So "delapidated money" - a ripped bank note (of the old sort which could be ripped) could be said to be dilapidated. This is however, a bit of a Boris Johnson expression, where one uses long words designed to show off or bamboozle*, instead of using plain English. A plain English expression for a torn bank note would be "that's a bit tatty".

*bamboozle: hoax, mystify, cheat.

Mentioned above - "barnet". A hairdresser was advertising "Get a new barnet for the holidays". Originating from N England/ N Wales (Red Wall territory) I did not know what on earth they were on about. Cockney rhyming slang Barnet fair = hair.

This therefore goes to prove that a) Brexit is the most wonderful thing to have happened to the UK or b) I have swallowed a dictionary for breakfast.

DuncinToffee · 30/04/2021 08:52

More bad news for the fishing industry

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56932551

The UK and Norway have failed to reach a fishing deal for this year, with the industry warning that hundreds of crew members will be left out of work.
It means UK fleets will have no access to Norway's sub-Arctic waters, known for their cod catches.

Peregrina · 30/04/2021 09:01

Fisheries - oh dear, nasty EU bullying us again!. But wait! Norway isn't in the EU. Poor negotiating skills by the UK team.

Where is Farage to sort it out? He had strong opinions about UK fishing, I seem to recall.

TheABC · 30/04/2021 09:31

That fisheries failure is another gift for the SNP.

It's not surprising things are going to be more difficult now we are out of the EU, with a Government more interested in mates rates than the tricky task of negotiating.

mrslaughan · 30/04/2021 10:25

That fisherman who gambled and built a massive cod trawler thinking Brexit would somehow give him unfettered access to Norway's fishing waters is completely fucked then.
When I saw him on the news I did think the delusion was particularly strong in him.....

longwayoff · 30/04/2021 10:42

Oh well. He can flog it to a Norwegian with a bit of luck.

Peregrina · 30/04/2021 10:44

Fancy that: Britain grants full diplomatic status to the EU Ambassador

I can't read the whole link because of the pay wall, but it's also featured in the Mail.

You recall that they weren't going to grant this status because the EU was not a nation state.

But now we have a quiet climb down after 4 months of willy waving.

longwayoff · 30/04/2021 10:46

Pro Brexit woman on lbc right now arguing that 'faith in your country' will sort out fishing and objecting when her arguments are overturned by figures 'don't give me figures'. Ex Brexit MEP apparently. Critical thinking?GrinGrinGrin

LostToucan · 30/04/2021 10:47

The owners of a supertrawler have hit out at the collapse of fishing talks with Norway which has left hundreds of crewmen without work.

The failure to reach a deal means fish and chip shops will be selling Arctic cod imported from Norway rather than landed in Britain, UK Fisheries said.

Its giant vessel Kirkella, which normally catches around 10% of all the fish sold in the UK’s chip shops, is now tied up in Hull without any viable long-term opportunities.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/norway-government-george-eustice-norwegian-hull-b932512.html

mustlovegin · 30/04/2021 10:54

faith in your country

Yes, this is lacking on these threads

Peregrina · 30/04/2021 10:55

I find it very sad. Farage, Johnson and Gove well and truly sold them out. But sadly, I don't think it will stop them voting Tory.

AuldAlliance · 30/04/2021 11:07

dilapidate can be used figuratively, though isn't much in contemporary English (cf. below: most recent quote is from a man who died in 1851) and is not commonly used with money as a direct object.

Whether providing international aid is dilapidating the UK's estate is another question.

Whether spending millions on failed track and trace and useless PPE from your pals is dilapidating the UK's estate is another question.

And whether any of the above somehow makes it fine for the PM to take cash from individual donors to buy extortionately costly new wallpaper for a home he's ensconced in temporarily at the taxpayer's expense is yet another. Not one worth asking, maybe, and yet...

OED: dilapidated

  1. figurative. To waste, squander (a benefice or estate).

1590 in J. Row Hist. Kirk Scotl. (Maitland) 408 All quho have dilapidat benefices..to the preiudice of the Kirk.
1642 T. Fuller Holy State iii. vii. 168 Those who by overbuilding their houses have dilapidated their lands.
a1711 T. Ken Serm. preached at Whitehall in Prose Wks. (1838) 160 Nothing..more certainly dilapidates their estates..than the surfeits of intemperance.
1845 J. Lingard Hist. & Antiq. Anglo-Saxon Church (ed. 3) I. vi. 255 Having dilapidated the revenues.
absolute.
1692 H. Wharton Def. Pluralities iii. 159 Many Pluralists..do neither dilapidate, nor neglect alms.

pointythings · 30/04/2021 11:16

@mustlovegin

faith in your country

Yes, this is lacking on these threads

Ah yes, if only we would BeLeave, everything would be just great! Hmm

Meanwhile, out there in the real world...

ListeningQuietly · 30/04/2021 11:16

I have faith in both my countries
just not the current Government of one of them
Grin

Chersfrozenface · 30/04/2021 11:20

'Dilapidate' here is an example of someone using a thesaurus to find a longer word and not realising that the word they select has a different meaning, a different nuance or is rarely or never used with that meaning nowadays. Looked up 'waste' and found 'dilapidate'.

See www.thesaurus.com/browse/waste

I see this a lot in my job. It would be hilarious if it didn't create so much extra work for me.

There's good advice from a book editor (American but what she says applies to all users of English) here bookeditor-jessihoffman.com/how-not-to-use-a-thesaurus-avoiding-wrong-connotation-in-your-writing/

Peregrina · 30/04/2021 11:30

That is the sort of thing you find out when you learn a foreign language.
Correct usage also marks out those who have genuine near native fluency from those who have a good working knowledge.

However UK/USA/Australian usage does differ and I have noted that often even non native speakers with a good level of fluency do not always fully realise the differences, so come out with a sentence which is not quite right to a British ear, but would be fine in US English.

mrslaughan · 30/04/2021 11:38

@mustlovegin

faith in your country

Yes, this is lacking on these threads

Au contraire - its precisely because we love and have faith in our country that these threads exist. It will come back - but not before the shower of shits that control Parliament are out.
prettybird · 30/04/2021 11:40

I used to enjoy going down a rabbit hole using a thesaurus when I was writing essays at Uni. A proper book version of Roget's Thesaurus Smile. I still have it (and use it occasionally). But I'd always look a word I chose up in the "other" direction and be careful about the context.

But there again, I am an articulate, well read, native English speaker Wink. And Scottish to boot, as we arguably speak the best "English" Grin especially the posh and/or Highland ones amongst us Wink

mustlovegin · 30/04/2021 12:25

It depends what 'ear' (or brain) we are talking about

But all the assumptions are amusing, anyway

wewereliars · 30/04/2021 12:25

mustlovegin Many thanks for coming on and raising the intellectual calibre of this jelly. Jelly of course used here to mean internet forum, which is what I say is the meaning of that particular word before anyone argues.

QueenOfThorns · 30/04/2021 13:17

@Jenthefredo

That certainly seems to be the case here DG Signs advertising for kitchen staff/chefs outside every pub/bistro/cafe locally Mind you, I know a couple of the places advertising and they treated their staff appallingly so... Maybe some catering professionals have re trained? Their jobs are very unsafe if the economy tanks (as we've seen since March 2020)

The new posters from yesterday were very entertaining 🐿🐿🐿🐿🐿

I was wondering similar yesterday. I had a nice chat with our postman about pizza ovens and he told me he used to be a chef. (He gave me some good tips!)
DGRossetti · 30/04/2021 13:19

However UK/USA/Australian usage does differ and I have noted that often even non native speakers with a good level of fluency do not always fully realise the differences, so come out with a sentence which is not quite right to a British ear, but would be fine in US English.

I never tire of plugging notoneoffbritishisms.com/ - and it can be fascinating how subtle the differences can be.

Returning back to skills and training ... this is now something I have a very intimate interest in, as it will be paying my wages for the foreseeable future in a senior IT position (which needed enhanced DBS vetting).

Peregrina · 30/04/2021 13:19

Another Brexit bonus

Dixon's to scrap airport duty free shopping. Now I know that the BeLeavers will say that it's due to Covid causing a falling off in air travel and to some extent that will be true, but Dixon's are blaming Brexit.

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