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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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Peregrina · 30/04/2021 23:46

@wewereliars

Clavinova do you enjoy people losing their jobs because they are not in the UK? Do you think that reflects well on you?

Walking away from seemless trade with a massive trading bloc on our doorstep is not made a good desicion because people outside of the UK lose their job. So deeply unpleasnt and lacking any logic.

I have an image of you doing a little dance at the forrins losing their livelihoods, in the manner of old man Steptoe

But surely jobs lost in the UK are a bonus of Brexit, because they free people to do something better? Or have I missed something here? Grin
Peregrina · 30/04/2021 23:50

reducing immigration of unskilled migrants from the EU should improve all three - likewise more emphasis on skilled immigration.

Presumably crop picking will have to be classed as skilled soon, because the native population doesn't seem to keen to do this work. This might not be unreasonable, because a lot of people couldn't pick crops at the speed required without damaging them.

Ditto care home work, and again it's a job which not everyone is capable of doing.

mathanxiety · 01/05/2021 06:37

"...love how the reference to Jill Biden's White House bathrooms is thrown in along with comments on British politicians' jaunts and wallpaper.

Clavinova Indeed - Biden, Macron and Blair are supposed to be left-leaning premiers.

But only one of them has ever been a 'premier'.
Of the UK.

The other two are presidents of other countries altogether.

We know how much has been spent and what contractor got the White House bathroom job thanks to federal procurement documents available for perusal. First order of business for the Bidens was a deep clean of the covid-saturated White House that cost about $500k, thanks to the blithe indifference of the Trumps to anyone's safety, including their own, during the pandemic. After the private bathrooms, Dr Biden may well turn her attention to the famous Rose Garden which was gutted by her philistine predecessor, Melania trump (that is, if she chooses to respond to the petition addressed to her beseeching her to restore it to its former glory).

In the case of 'Brigitte Macron's' renovations, the Mobilier National is a government agency overseeing the acquisition and maintenance of furniture and furnishings for presidential residences and embassies. It was established in 1604. Part of the cost of renovations (including repair, rewiring, electrical work) will come from sale of Elyssee branded items reflecting French craftsmanship.

It seems to me that you have failed to notice many differences between renovations in various places, the most significant of which is that the source of the money spent in other places is open to public scrutiny. Hardly anyone gives a rat's ass how much is spent on renovations as long as everyone knows where the money comes from.

HesterThrale · 01/05/2021 09:17

This is brutal.
Looks like U.K. exports to the EU were down 47% Jan-Mar.
And imports down 20.2%.

Reality: the UK saw much, much more damage both to its imports and to its exports than any of the EU's other main trading partners did.

mobile.twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1388165624665452545

Blacktothepink · 01/05/2021 10:29

The way education is going I can see crop picking being in the curriculum...

Peregrina · 01/05/2021 11:34

Weren't University terms, and hence school terms, originally based around the fact that the students had to go home to help get the harvest in?

HannibalHayeski · 01/05/2021 11:36

I can't quite believe it that the Quitlings have gone back to "Do you believe in fairies children?" as an argument.

It really does show an incredible paucity of thought.

Peregrina · 01/05/2021 11:41

The only argument they have is vaccinations. Once the rest of the EU catches up, which will only be a matter of time, what other trophy will they present?

LostToucan · 01/05/2021 11:43

@Peregrina

Weren't University terms, and hence school terms, originally based around the fact that the students had to go home to help get the harvest in?
The Scottish two week October half term break is still known as the “tattie holidays”.
FatCatThinCat · 01/05/2021 11:50

I don't get it. Is it seriously being argued that the UK government walked away from negotiations with Norway over arctic cod fishing because I didn't believe hard enough? Who'd a thunk a middle aged SAHM, living in Sweden would have so much power over the UK's future. And more importantly why doesn't this power of belief work to bring about things I really, really believe in, like ending child poverty, increasing foreign aid, holding corrupt government to account?

YoutubeZoom · 01/05/2021 12:03

Well said @FatCatThinCat

Peregrina · 01/05/2021 12:12

I get the impression that the Government clean forgot that they would even need to negotiate with Norway, until 1st January came along.

Peregrina · 01/05/2021 12:14

So do we tell the fishermen that they just believe that they can catch fish, that they believe when they haul their nets up that they are full.

Why does it sound like the Emperor's New Clothes?

borntobequiet · 01/05/2021 13:20

@Peregrina

I get the impression that the Government clean forgot that they would even need to negotiate with Norway, until 1st January came along.
Of course they forgot it, if they ever even thought about it in the first place. “Norway” to them was just one of the possible trade arrangements they liked to bamboozle people with, while making no attempt to properly understand what it would entail. See also: Canada, Australia, Jupiter, any random nation/planet/galaxy.
Peregrina · 01/05/2021 14:22

I don't know how relevant this post from Norway in 2017 about fishing is.

Note this from point 6:

Brexit will certainly mean that managing fisheries in European waters, and in the North Sea in particular, will become considerably more complicated going forward as a result of Brexit.

Jenthefredo · 01/05/2021 15:26

@FatCatThinCat

I don't get it. Is it seriously being argued that the UK government walked away from negotiations with Norway over arctic cod fishing because I didn't believe hard enough? Who'd a thunk a middle aged SAHM, living in Sweden would have so much power over the UK's future. And more importantly why doesn't this power of belief work to bring about things I really, really believe in, like ending child poverty, increasing foreign aid, holding corrupt government to account?
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Jenthefredo · 01/05/2021 15:27

@Peregrina

So do we tell the fishermen that they just believe that they can catch fish, that they believe when they haul their nets up that they are full.

Why does it sound like the Emperor's New Clothes?

Trouble is...

Who will leavers blame when they realise that?

Clavinova · 01/05/2021 16:25

mathanxiety
But only one of them has ever been a 'premier'.
Of the UK.
The other two are presidents of other countries altogether.

If you are nitpicking over my use of the word 'premier' to describe both prime minister and president with one word, then I would argue that 'premier' is perfectly acceptable - you have a 'First' Lady after all.

It seems to me that you have failed to notice many differences between renovations in various places

I disagree - the Salon Pompadour (second photo) looks pretty garish to me - I noticed that;

www.architecturaldigest.com/story/tour-french-president-macrons-chic-elysee-palace-office-refresh

After the private bathrooms, Dr Biden may well turn her attention to the famous Rose Garden...

It's not as if Joe Biden will be expecting a second term in office - he's an old man already - can't Dr Biden make do with the current bathrooms? Champagne socialists. Grin And on balance, I possibly prefer the 'new look' Rose Garden compared to the old one - something in between perhaps;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56942349

Hardly anyone gives a rat's ... how much is spent on renovations as long as everyone knows where the money comes from.

Some posters on this board are very thrifty.

I think you have mistaken me for a Trump fan by the way - I was rooting for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Not keen on Biden I have to admit - something about his voice I find a bit annoying. I see he is being fact-checked again;

edition.cnn.com/2021/04/28/politics/biden-joint-address-fact-check/index.html

Clavinova · 01/05/2021 16:31

HesterThrale
Looks like U.K. exports to the EU were down 47% Jan-Mar.

Your link only shows Jan-Feb. Feb was an improvement on Jan - and no doubt March and April will be better still.

AuldAlliance · 01/05/2021 16:43

Heartening to see that what truly matters in all this is whether or not décor is deemed "garish" and politician's voices "annoying".

Based on that last, entirely objective, criterion, I'd have to write off as incompetent all British PM's since Callaghan, apart from Gordon Brown, possibly. And discount Hillary Clinton as a credible presidential candidate.

Clavinova · 01/05/2021 16:46

Peregrina
have I missed something here?

Yes - Dixons didn't blame Brexit in your link.

Presumably crop picking will have to be classed as skilled soon

Seasonal employment I would think.

Ditto care home work

Ideally care home work will be up-skilled with better training/better wages/more prestige - and become a more attractive career option.

DGRossetti · 01/05/2021 16:57

I suspect the reason the UK-Norway talks stopped dead was because Norway was making damn sure that there was no way the UK could fuck up their lives the same way we have managed to fuck over most of the EU. I can see a lot of clauses that would be "unacceptable" to the likes of "Don't they know who we are" talks that team Boris are likely to conduct.

In fact unless there is evidence to the contrary that's what I'm telling my friends.

Clavinova · 01/05/2021 16:58

AuldAlliance
Unless you immerse yourself in the politics of another country there's not much else to go on. Peregrina is always pointing out Boris Johnson's appearance - I assume it's of no consequence to you?

wewereliars · 01/05/2021 17:00

Nurses have been recommended a 1% pay rise so no doubt care workers are in line for a large increase too.

Clavinova · 01/05/2021 17:07

Feb 2021
Applications to study nursing soar as NHS inspires new recruits amid pandemic.

More than 60,000 people have applied to nursing courses this autumn, which is up nearly a third (32%) from the previous year.

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-applications-to-study-nursing-soar-as-nhs-inspires-new-recruits-amid-pandemic-12221120

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