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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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AuldAlliance · 29/04/2021 17:37

Betray your own people if you watch non-UK news?
Feck me, I've read it all now.
Grin Grin

mrslaughan · 29/04/2021 17:43

Also £130m is a drop in the bucket of what was spaffed (handed) to Tory (Johnson?) faithful through contracts for PPE - most of which is unusable and parked in fields somewhere in England....

mrslaughan · 29/04/2021 17:47

When the BBC has become what RT is to Putin I am afraid I have to gather my news from elsewhere. Furthermore no wealthy countries survive without constructive relations with other trading partners- it's always useful to understand how you are viewed. Gone are the days (thank Christ) where the UK gets to tell other countries what to think.....

wewereliars · 29/04/2021 18:03

Correction mustlove gin, we cannot give money away to the deserately poor, thereby giving a moral lead and developing soft world power, as one of the richest nations on earth.
We CAN certainly afford to shower billions on a track and trace system that never worked, run by Dodo Harding who has a solid record of failure, and never ending largesse is always on tap to various friends and acaquaintances of the cabinet of all corruptions who mix in the right circles, went to the right schools but know the square root of fuck all about pandemics, health systems and the linked logistsics. You're welcome

LostToucan · 29/04/2021 18:05

Though in livestock competitions, at least in Britain, the first place rosette is normally red and the second place rosette is blue.

That’s the same in horse competitions, unless it’s Pony Club. And yellow for 3rd and green for 4th.

LostToucan · 29/04/2021 18:10

We cannot afford to give money away

But “we” can clearly break UK law which commits the UK to spend 0.7% GDP on foreign aid?

Why haven’t other European countries equally hit by Covid cut their aid budgets then?

borntobequiet · 29/04/2021 18:18

I’ve changed my mind about Wallpapergate. Contrasting the money spaffed on pimping up the Downing St flat with the costs to leaseholders to comply with Grenfell fire legislation - for which they’re getting no help - is interesting.

YoutubeZoom · 29/04/2021 18:23

Has any of you seen Death to 2020? The Philomena Cunk character started to watch a new show called "America" on the news channels. She thought it was very interesting. Wink

I am not a native English speaker, so my pronunciation of Nestle hardly counts.

QueenOfThorns · 29/04/2021 18:59

mustlovegin - u ok hun?

HappyWinter · 29/04/2021 19:02

The article about the aid cuts I posted previously said that those who are most concerned about the UK's foreign influence (an influence extended by the soft power from our foreign aid commitments) are also were most against foreign aid. We can't have it both ways!

mrslaughan · 29/04/2021 19:10

Cake and eat it too..... seems a familiar ideology

DGRossetti · 29/04/2021 19:12

The moment Dido Harding disappeared into the distance with £42 billion of taxpayer money, any argument about not being able to afford anything was holed below the waterline.

HannibalHayeski · 29/04/2021 19:26

The Good Law Project revealing 4 more beneficiaries of the governments corrupt VIP lane for providing PPE;

  • P14 Medical, run by a Tory councillor and donor, was awarded £276m in PPE contracts.

  • Meller Designs, run by David Meller a large Tory donor and trustee of the rightwing lobby group Policy Exchange, was given more than £160m in PPE contracts.

  • Luxe Lifestyle was awarded a £26m contract despite appearing to be insolvent and without any employees.

  • And Clandeboye Agencies whose registered trade on Companies House is “wholesale of sugar, chocolate and sugar confectionery” was awarded £108m in PPE contracts (see page 73 and following). We should say that the Government says Clandeboye was not in the VIP lane – but its own internal documents tell a different story.
FatCatThinCat · 29/04/2021 19:36

Accessing foreign news outlets is now betraying your own people. So we're going full on North Korea then?

DuncinToffee · 29/04/2021 19:38

Also from the Good Law Project

“A High Court judge today ordered Matt Hancock to hand over texts and WhatsApp messages about lucrative Covid-19 contracts” Mirror t.co/qRNef1Uh1n

ListeningQuietly · 29/04/2021 20:02

How do I tell mustlovegin
that some of us are foreign
and that my DD took me to task tonight that my Twitter news aggregation list was all English language
and she's right

Clavinova · 29/04/2021 20:06

There is a WhatsApp group with [circa] 200 CEO

200 CEOs? That's a big WhatsApp group.

ListeningQuietly · 29/04/2021 20:09

@Clavinova

There is a WhatsApp group with [circa] 200 CEO

200 CEOs? That's a big WhatsApp group.

All of the Tory MPs are in one group as are all of the year 9 parents (400+) at a local school get with it Wink
TheElementsSong · 29/04/2021 20:14

All of the Tory MPs are in one group
as are all of the year 9 parents (400+) at a local school
get with it

Ah, but have any of them expressed "political opinion"? Grin

mustlovegin · 29/04/2021 20:20

as one of the richest nations on earth

So...are we in the doldrums as politicians are vile or are we the richest? Which is it?

mustlovegin · 29/04/2021 20:22

Accessing foreign news outlets is now betraying your own people

The OP said accessing foreign news outlets instead of UK ones

HannibalHayeski · 29/04/2021 20:23

Wow! This really is some kind of Newspeak!

wewereliars · 29/04/2021 20:28

mustlovegin the 2 are not mutually exclusive. Plenty of rich countries have vile govenments. What point do you think you are making?

mustlovegin · 29/04/2021 20:32

What point do you think you are making

Some are trying very hard to convince others that our country is going to the dogs. At the same time they urge the government to dilapidate money (as there's plenty and we are rich). Hardly a coherent argument

Clavinova · 29/04/2021 20:35

P14 Medical, run by a Tory councillor and donor, was awarded £276m in PPE contracts.

The Good Law Project link to this BBC article;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53361167

Labour shadow health minister Justin Madders said the contracts awarded to P14 Medical raised questions about transparency.

"On the face of it this company's connections to the Conservative Party appear to be stronger than their experience in delivering PPE.

"Serious questions need to be asked about how they managed to obtain such a lucrative contract without any track record to speak of.

Stroud News and Journal 13 July 2020;

Speaking to the SNJ on Monday, Mr Dechan [P14 Medical] said the contracts were awarded due to the company’s experience and expertise and not due to connections with the Government.

Mr Dechan said that Mr Madders has since apologised for the claims.

“We have been doing PPE for five years, and we already had approved NHS suppliers,” he said.

“Mr Madders was unaware of that and he apologised when we had a conversation on the telephone as he realised we were a proper PPE supplier.

“We were given the contract because we provided kit very quickly into the Nightingale exCeL London.

“They asked us for high end PPE and we did it really quickly and to a very high standard, and the Department for Health and Social Care said to us what other PPE can you do and I said we can do gowns and face shields.”

Mr Dechan told the BBC: “We are an expert company that has been in medical supplies for eight years including PPE that has managed to deliver on a big contract that the ‘big companies’ could not.

“I only know a couple of MPs through local campaigning on issues, only met ministers (no current ones) on [general election] campaign trails. Never discussed PPE.”

www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/news/18579785.stroud-councillor-hits-claims-favouritism-120m-ppe-contract/

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