Westministenders: Unilateral Ignoring of WHO rules

[RedToothBrush]

Where we are:

On 1st January the EU started to apply checks on all goods from the UK coming into the Union.

However the UK decided to take a slower route to this, and planned that on the 1st April the UK we would be carrying out Sanitary & Phytosanitary paperwork for animal and plant EU imports like meat and eggs.

Then on 1 July we'd implement a full customs check on all goods arriving into the UK from EU member states.

Obviously we've struggled with exports as we weren't ready for this and its fucked business. But ultimately the import side of things has yet to hit the shit fan still.

It sounds like there is likely to be issues with imports of food in particular, so there is talk of delaying our plan of checks until later in the day. There is concern that the reopening of pubs and restuarants which will up demands of imports occuring at the same time as checks are put in place is likely to be 'problematic'.

Remember we get 2/3 of fruit, veg and cheese from the EU. And half our wine. And to date these largely have only been affected by haulage issues NOT UK customs issues...

You might want to keep that in mind.

Fuck that Nicola's really done a number on you hasn't she

All a bit irrelevant though, isn't it ? Since I don't live in Scotland.

@DGRossetti

Fuck that Nicola's really done a number on you hasn't she

All a bit irrelevant though, isn't it ? Since I don't live in Scotland.

So why are you pushing the independence propaganda then? The independence crowd are just as brain washed as the Brexiteers. They're fuelled by anti English sentiment just as the Brexit mob are fuelled by hatred of 'Europe'

I am paying attention alright. And I like what I see.

Which bits do you like then yellowspanner?

Breaking international law?
126,000 covid deaths - one of the highest per capita because it was mismanaged?
Food bank usage?

All good hey, because it hasn't affected you yet?

So why are you pushing the independence propaganda then?

It's a hobby ?

The independence crowd are just as brain washed as the Brexiteers.

... is one view

They're fuelled by anti English sentiment just as the Brexit mob are fuelled by hatred of 'Europe'

Maybe. Maybe not. But as noted previously, my views on Scottish independence can't be translated into anything more than memes anyway.

So why are you pushing the independence propaganda then? The independence crowd are just as brain washed as the Brexiteers. They're fuelled by anti English sentiment just as the Brexit mob are fuelled by hatred of 'Europe'

The only trouble with this derxa is that when Leave won the Referendum by a very narrrow margin, Remainers were told that it was 'ovewhelming' and pretty much told to go to hell because our opinions didn't matter, we lost, what about democracy don't we understand, etc. As far as I am aware, there are now a greater number in favour of Scottish Independence, so for those of you who don't want it, can't you see that the boot is on the other foot? From what you say it sounds very much as though you don't having like the idea of having what we have put up with dished out to you. Do you want to hear, that's democracy what don't you understand? Or would you like to hear, 'the majority favour it, but we need to make sure that it benefits the whole of Scotland?' This is something we Remainers most definitely did not hear and indeed didn't get. (As it happened it seems that many Leavers don't like Johnson's Great Deal either.)

I personally don't know whether Scottish Independence is a good thing or not, and I have never lived there. I do think a Federal UK might have been a good idea perhaps instead of the half cock devolutions we ended up with, but I suspect that it might be too late for this now.

I am quite happy to see that the majority of Scots loathe and detest Johnson's behaviour - it beats me why so many English people are happy to be represented by a PM who is a liar and a cheat. I am old enough to remember the Profumo scandal - he lied to Parliament, resigned and spent the rest of his life doing charity work. Johnson resign for lying in Parliament - well it's all a jape why should he resign?

Dexra- I seem to remember you are a sheep farmer? How are you being affected by Brexit?

@DGRossetti

Glad my links get a read. Orwell was particularly scathing about what we now call the left wing metropolitan elite, of course of which he was one. It would be wrong, however, to interpret this as an approval of the right wing establishment.

You're talking to Brexiteers, so that's exactly how they interpret it.

Yes, I know...which is why I mentioned it...

I think if I were a Scot right now, I'd vote for independence. If only because (to quote Orwell again)

Probably the battle of Waterloo was won on the playing-fields of Eton, but the opening battles of all subsequent wars have been lost there. One of the dominant facts in English life during the past three quarters of a century has been the decay of ability in the ruling class.

And to continue with my own cherry-oicking,

...Do I mean by all this that England is a genuine democracy? No, not even a reader of the Daily Telegraph could quite swallow that.

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@mrslaughan

Dexra- I seem to remember you are a sheep farmer? How are you being affected by Brexit?

People have eaten more beef and lamb during the lockdown. Prices for lambs at auction have hit an all time high. So Brexit not in the picture at the moment. We can only work out Brexit effects in the autumn and winter.

One of the dominant facts in English life during the past three quarters of a century has been the decay of ability in the ruling class. The quality of SNP MSPs is dismal. See Margaret 'Covid' Ferrier.

Sorry MF is an MP. But the MSPs are awful as well

Facts for flag-shaggers:

🐿 The Anglo-Zanzibar war was caused by the interference of the British in the succession of the Zanzibarian Sultanate. The conflict took place on 27 August 1896 and lasted approximately 40 minutes, making it the shortest war in recorded history. Natch, it woz won by the Brits who only sustained one injury. Hurrah for the British! 🐿

I am quite happy to see that the majority of Scots loathe and detest Johnson's behaviour - it beats me why so many English people are happy to be represented by a PM who is a liar and a cheat. I am old enough to remember the Profumo scandal - he lied to Parliament, resigned and spent the rest of his life doing charity work. Johnson resign for lying in Parliament - well it's all a jape why should he resign? Yes but two wrongs don't make a right. It's possible to loathe Boris and Nicola at the same time and I do.

Probably the battle of Waterloo was won on the playing-fields of Eton,

I read somewhere recently (can't remember where) that Wellington hated Eton and got his mother to take him away. He then went to a military academy in France, so that institution should take the credit.

But it seems that the bulk of the troops at Waterloo were not English anyway.

derxa - your reply seems a bit of a non - sequitur. I am glad that the Scots have the measure of Johnson, and it's a pity the bulk of the English don't.

I don't live in Scotland, so I am not fully affected by Nicola Sturgeon, so view her with a more detached eye.

Bless derxa really has got herself in a spin about Sturgeon, even had to start a thread about it, lets not question the corruption in Westminster with Johnson and his government though

If there are any savvy business reading this, after Scotland and Ireland gain freedom from their gaslighting spouse, and hopefully Wales will do the same one day, create a bottled water company called 'unionist tears' ,doubt sales will be high in England but Im sure the other 3 nations will buy a fair few

@TheElementsSong

Facts for flag-shaggers:

🐿 The Anglo-Zanzibar war was caused by the interference of the British in the succession of the Zanzibarian Sultanate. The conflict took place on 27 August 1896 and lasted approximately 40 minutes, making it the shortest war in recorded history. Natch, it woz won by the Brits who only sustained one injury. Hurrah for the British! 🐿

All true British patriots remember the famed Battle of Umboto Gorge Elements

Glad my links get a read. Orwell was particularly scathing about what we now call the left wing metropolitan elite, of course of which he was one. It would be wrong, however, to interpret this as an approval of the right wing establishment.

You're talking to Brexiteers, so that's exactly how they interpret it.

Yes, I know...which is why I mentioned it...

Hardly.
Orwell's English socialist utopia involved abolishing the House of Lords, disestablishing the Church, getting rid of private schools (and 'some of the oldest universities' if I remember correctly), nationalisation, limiting incomes...One measure of success was the global wealthy elite looking upon us in disgust.

I enjoyed reading Orwell's essay - I didn't agree with very much - I cherry picked extracts relevant to the discussion on this thread. Just think what Jeremy Corbyn could have achieved if only he'd taken Orwell's advice and feigned some patriotism.

Just to please you DGRossetti - Orwell thought the monarchy would probably survive the cut in the English socialist revolution (together with such quirks as fancy wigs worn by judges).

Just to please you DGRossetti - Orwell thought the monarchy would probably survive the cut in the English socialist revolution

And like cockroaches, nuclear war too.

William the Bastard and his buddies would immediate recognise the distribution of land ownership in 2021 - 945 years after the Norman conquest. Why do you think regimes throughout history have queued up to get their next generation of despots from the English public school system ? You seriously didn't think it was for the quality of education did you ? No. It's because they were - and still are - hoping to learn the secret of keeping the elite elite no matter what. Even a civil war and radical regal foreshortening hasn't really dented the landholdings of the Normans.

The C of E is only established in England.

@Peregrina

The C of E is only established in England.

I suspect it's inseparable from being a monarchy. If the CoE were to be disestablished, I can't see the monarchy remaining as a plastic head of state. And vice versa.

@JustAnotherPoster00

Bless derxa really has got herself in a spin about Sturgeon, even had to start a thread about it, lets not question the corruption in Westminster with Johnson and his government though

I really have got myself into a right rage. I feel duped by NS and her heartfelt wee Covid updates. She care nothing about the bereaved I now come to realise. I watched her non answers to the parliamentary enquiry committee. When Alex Salmond comes across as more truthful than you then you're in trouble. Johnson is another issue. I can question both. As Alex Salmond said about another matter, 'We've been sold a pup'. Or pups. The pups are Brexit and independence.

The pups are Brexit and independence.

The first has increased the need for the second and rightly so, and any support of the Tory agenda since the original indy vote and the lies that were told to guarantee the support of the union can safely take some of the blame, why should a sovereign nation be dragged out of a union by an increasingly right wing foreign government to its detriment, that isnt democracy

Theelements....what on Earth is a flag shagger?
Are you suggesting that the UK should not fly the Union Jack because of some nasty events a few centuries ago?
Well that would rule out the Spanish and Portuguese flags because of South American atrocities.
And dare I mention the German flag? Or the French in Africa? Or, indeed the Italian flag because of the Romans?
Do you want to abolish national flags?
Or do you just hate England?