Westministenders: Unilateral Ignoring of WHO rules

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Where we are:

On 1st January the EU started to apply checks on all goods from the UK coming into the Union.

However the UK decided to take a slower route to this, and planned that on the 1st April the UK we would be carrying out Sanitary & Phytosanitary paperwork for animal and plant EU imports like meat and eggs.

Then on 1 July we'd implement a full customs check on all goods arriving into the UK from EU member states.

Obviously we've struggled with exports as we weren't ready for this and its fucked business. But ultimately the import side of things has yet to hit the shit fan still.

It sounds like there is likely to be issues with imports of food in particular, so there is talk of delaying our plan of checks until later in the day. There is concern that the reopening of pubs and restuarants which will up demands of imports occuring at the same time as checks are put in place is likely to be 'problematic'.

Remember we get 2/3 of fruit, veg and cheese from the EU. And half our wine. And to date these largely have only been affected by haulage issues NOT UK customs issues...

You might want to keep that in mind.

An interesting read from the always excellent Bylines
bylinetimes.com/2019/04/08/the-story-of-brexit-is-the-story-of-empire-why-did-so-many-asian-immigrants-vote-for-brexit/

Meet Joe. Joe voted for Brexit...

LQ - I heard from some that they were supporting Brexit because it would mean more of their families would be able to come over as the number of EU migrants reduced. Which may well be true. But is almost certainly diametrically opposed to what most of their fellow Brexshittiers were voting for...

Hannibal
re the folks in Benidorm
"Nobody explained or probably thought about people like ourselves. There was nobody looking after it or telling us, they forgot about the people abroad."
We did, but were shouted down.

Re South Asians : its a really good nuanced article.
And does show that Immigration was key to Brexit, but it has many colours

It's not entirely unfair to say that they forgot about the people abroad. Couldn't be bothered, would be more like it. Cameron was going to re-enfranchise those who had been away for more than 15 years and never got round to it. The Tories still haven't a.f.a.i.k. Nor is it especially unusual to allow overseas residents to vote - the US does for a starter and other countries.

Joe and the others were told but it was dismissed as Project Fear. Remainers have then had to endure 4 years of 'that's democracy, what don't you understand'and similar, so it's hard to find too much sympathy. Besides which, as Brexiters, why aren't they satisfied with Torquay? That has palm trees, isn't that good enough? I say this because if a Remainer talks about wanting to go to France/Spain/whereever this is what the Brexiters come out with.

Nor is it especially unusual to allow overseas residents to vote - the US does for a starter and other countries

True - but the US expects its citizens to pay taxes wherever they are. I've no issue with overseas UK residents having a vote, but I'd expect them to pay taxes - 'no representation without taxation?'

Frankie
The US is pretty unique in expecting those who live overseas to pay tax.

The UK is pretty unique in removing the right to vote of those who live overseas.

Tax should be paid where you live and work.
(Company tax should be located with turnover not profits)

Voting should be compulsory with nationality / passports (Australia)

I agree with you LQ - paying tax in your country of nationality when you live and work somewhere else is crap. It means you have a population who is essentially trapped in their home country. It means your population and workforce does not benefit from the differing experience they can have in different markets and bring that home.

@HannibalHayes

Meet Joe. Joe voted for Brexit...

"There's no way I would vote to go for it, because it's harming me and my future"

This was the entire problem with the referendum in a nutshell: 1) voting for something when you knew nothing about its implications and 2) voting on the basis of 'what's in it / not in it for me' when implications and repercussions went far beyond individual households (see 1).

Whole thing was and is depressing madness.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brit-expats-homeowners-screwed-over-23835728
Mrs Smyth said the couple bought the villa just over two years ago, placing their faith in the UK government to negotiate a post-Brexit agreement with Spain that would support homeowners in the country.

My bounds know no sympathy

Interesting observation:

The EU Parliament has yet to ratify the UK's deal : if we are not seen to act in good faith they may choose not to and it will become "no deal"

The EU Parliament has yet to ratify the Chinese Investment deal. If China does not start playing by international rules, they may choose not to which would in effect bring in sanctions.

The EU has many faults, but rushing into things is not one of them.

The EU Parliament has yet to ratify the UK's deal : if we are not seen to act in good faith they may choose not to and it will become "no deal"

That will suit Johnson and cronies right down to the ground. "We wanted a Deal but the EU wouldn't give us one, piffle , piffle waffle."

That will suit Johnson and cronies right down to the ground. "We wanted a Deal but the EU wouldn't give us one, piffle , piffle waffle."
Indeed
BUT
Although von der Leyen is pretty darned useless
other folks within the EU will be able to get the message out to the rest of the world

• USA, Canada, South America, south Asia, Africa

that the UK cannot be trusted to keep deals so keep them at arms length its already happening that everybody is wary of rushing into deals with the UK and once the vaccines issue subsides in the autumn the folks will get restless

An good open letter to Keir Starmer.

Starmer just seems hung up on his 'Red Wall' votes though and doesn't seem to be aware of the other voters, actual and potential that he is losing.

There are fears that Labour might well lose the Hartlepool by-election. Why? Because Johnson has 'Got Brexit Done' so he's a man who delivers. Covid restrictions are hiding the effects of Brexit so people are not yet fully aware of it.

Starmer has lost his way.
The post mortem of the last election never covered the rights of women
and seems to think that the "Red Wall" is more than a rear view mirror mirage.
If Labour pushed the Tories to complete Brexit
Highlighted the fact that the UKs borders are still wide open
and highlighted things like dirty money
they could win votes
but I have no idea where their focus lies.

...

More winning for UK Chocolate makers; ‘We’ve lost our entire European trade’

Its interesting how the supermarkets are covering up their ongoing supply chain issues.
The backs of most shelves are empty
and many items are missing (eg Sainsbury's excellent spring water tuna)
and top and bottom shelves are covered with cardboard.

The penny is still not dropping though.

Its interesting how the supermarkets are covering up their ongoing supply chain issues.

Wait for a Brexiter to tell us that since they haven't noticed it in their own supermarket, it isn't happening. Or tell us that we don't need 5 different brands of tea or washing powder or a range of cheeses.

We don't, we could have the shortages common to the war years and the early 1950s but did the Brexiters really vote for that?

"Wait for a Brexiter to tell us that since they haven't noticed it in their own supermarket, it isn't happening. Or tell us that we don't need 5 different brands of tea or washing powder or a range of cheeses."

Or that their local farm shop has an abundance of everything therefore all is brilliant in Brexshit Land...

More Brexidiots.

“Yes I voted out, but I didn’t realise it would come to this, my application has been rejected and we are on our way home – the wife is in tears, she’s distraught and if I’m honest and I’m not too happy at the prospect of returning back to the UK.”

Well duh...

Anyone else remember "Not my monkeys, not my circus"?

That's aged well...

I do remember Not my monkeys, not my circus, although I haven't been able to find the original post.

All wholly predictable, but still substantial numbers of people in England are happy with Johnson. And when he's seen to fail, it will be the EU's fault, or someone else - not him.