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Westministenders: Unilateral Ignoring of WHO rules

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RedToothBrush · 09/03/2021 15:43

Where we are:

On 1st January the EU started to apply checks on all goods from the UK coming into the Union.

However the UK decided to take a slower route to this, and planned that on the 1st April the UK we would be carrying out Sanitary & Phytosanitary paperwork for animal and plant EU imports like meat and eggs.

Then on 1 July we'd implement a full customs check on all goods arriving into the UK from EU member states.

Obviously we've struggled with exports as we weren't ready for this and its fucked business. But ultimately the import side of things has yet to hit the shit fan still.

It sounds like there is likely to be issues with imports of food in particular, so there is talk of delaying our plan of checks until later in the day. There is concern that the reopening of pubs and restuarants which will up demands of imports occuring at the same time as checks are put in place is likely to be 'problematic'.

Remember we get 2/3 of fruit, veg and cheese from the EU. And half our wine. And to date these largely have only been affected by haulage issues NOT UK customs issues...

You might want to keep that in mind.

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prettybird · 22/03/2021 16:36

"Mr Hamilton has found no breach of the Ministerial Code by the First Minister."

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2021 16:37

There's being proud to be British and then there is flag waving patrotism of the scoundrel type identity politics.

There is a difference.

I'm fed up to the back teeth with identity politics from all quarters. Its divisive and means people lose sight of actually problems rather than manufactured ones.

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ListeningQuietly · 22/03/2021 16:49

In the USA, people pledge allegiance to the Flag
because the flag is not the current government.
You can love the country and the flag while despising the government.

The UK has a very strange attitude to flags.
Partly because they hark back to jingoism and empire
and because politicians feel free to wrap themselves in the flag
because the monarchy do not.

The current crop of politicians wrap themselves in the Union Jack
while doing more than any before them to destroy the union it represents.

mrslaughan · 22/03/2021 16:51

@yellowspanner - he may be our elected Pam - but he and his cabal (not the whole Tory party) are doing quite a lot to undermine and attack our democracy and the Sovereignty of Parliament.
If you don't realise this - you aren't paying attention.

prettybird · 22/03/2021 16:56

The current crop of politicians wrap themselves in the Union Jack while doing more than any before them to destroy the union it represents.

Absolutely. The Union flag is now used as a weapon rather than a unifying symbol. Hmm

Peregrina · 22/03/2021 16:59

Peregrina...in case you didn't notice Boris Johnson is our elected PM.

Did you live in his constituency? The Tory party members voted for him as leader.The Tory Party won an election after he won. It's a convention that the winning party leader becomes PM. The Tory party could ditch him tomorrow if they chose, and put someone else up who no one bar his or her own electorate had ever heard of until then.

I will keep ranting about Governments which I think are shite. That's democracy for you, but I am glad you are amused.

Fnib · 22/03/2021 17:14

Hear hear @RedToothBrush

Peregrina · 22/03/2021 17:21

"Mr Hamilton has found no breach of the Ministerial Code by the First Minister."

Johnson will not like this. It doesn't give him the answer he wants.

Peregrina · 22/03/2021 17:34

Sturgeon - main story on both the BBC and Guardian website, with different spins.

How often does a Scottish politician become the main story in the rest of the UK?

prettybird · 22/03/2021 17:55

To use a good Scottish expression, BJ and certain elements of the MSM especially James Matthews of Sky will be/are beelin' at the findings of James Hamilton's independent report Grin

They are shit scared of the momentum that independence is gaining ground in general, and her skill as both a politician and a leader in particular. Hence trying to find some any way to bring her down.

It was a Schrödinger's attack: she was simultaneously guilty of colluding with and conspiring against Alex Salmond Confused; of covering up the claims of harassment against him and of deliberately targeting him Hmm And unlike BJ, she has apologised for the fact that a mistake made by her government (although not by her personally) led to the collapse of the case against him and let down the women involved Sad Which, BTW, was what the Committee whose report will be published tomorrow and certain of whose committee members have themselves breached the code by leaking Hmm, was supposed to be about. Shock

Parallels with Brexit: eg Schrödinger's Immigrants.....simultaneously coming here and taking all the jobs while doing nothing and living off the generous UK benefits even though other countries have better benefits Confused

borntobequiet · 22/03/2021 18:29

The working man’s heart does not leap when he sees a Union Jack.

George Orwell managed to accurately sum up the nature of British patriotism. The view from the mid-20th century gives a useful perspective on where we find ourselves now. (I am a bit of an Orwell fan.)

www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/the-lion-and-the-unicorn-socialism-and-the-english-genius/

DGRossetti · 22/03/2021 19:12

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Westministenders: Unilateral Ignoring of WHO rules
prettybird · 22/03/2021 19:27

I've seen a video variation of that, featuring Sarah Smith (who hates the SNP with a passion): a blonde trashing a room in anger and frustration Grin

James Matthews' face was certainly tripping (to use another good Scottish expression Wink) as he gave his piece to camera immediately after the Hamilton Report was issued Grin

yellowspanner · 22/03/2021 19:35

Mrslaughan,
I am paying attention alright. And I like what I see.

mrslaughan · 22/03/2021 19:45

Will you like it so much when it's not your side? When there's electoral irregularities but they go against your interests?
When the country is run by 5 or 6 ministers- with no influence of Parliament..... thug they aren't on your side.
Maybe you don't believe in democracy.....

LouiseCollins28 · 22/03/2021 21:38

@prettybird

I've seen a video variation of that, featuring Sarah Smith (who hates the SNP with a passion): a blonde trashing a room in anger and frustration Grin

James Matthews' face was certainly tripping (to use another good Scottish expression Wink) as he gave his piece to camera immediately after the Hamilton Report was issued Grin

Until quite recently I'd watched Sarah Smith doing political reporting for what must have been 15 years without realising she is John Smith's daughter.
Clavinova · 22/03/2021 21:47

George Orwell managed to accurately sum up the nature of British patriotism.

Ha, ha - very good;

In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British...

An intelligent Socialist movement will use their patriotism, instead of merely insulting it, as hitherto.

prettybird · 22/03/2021 21:54

LouiseCollins28 - I had known she was John Smith's daughter. I often wonder where the UK would be if he hadn't had his heart attack. I like to hope/imagine a better place Wink - but that's water under the bridge Sad

I do think that she has a visceral dislike of the SNP that probably goes back a long way.

borntobequiet · 23/03/2021 05:51

Glad my links get a read. Orwell was particularly scathing about what we now call the left wing metropolitan elite, of course of which he was one. It would be wrong, however, to interpret this as an approval of the right wing establishment. (I suspect he would have been especially disapproving if current “wokery”.)
All his essays, a good selection of which are on that site, are worth a read. But be careful not to cherry pick.

borntobequiet · 23/03/2021 05:51

Of not if

DrBlackbird · 23/03/2021 06:23

Elements we are in definite need of an interesting squirrel fact just about now.

James Wild, the MP for North West Norfolk, told the head of the [BBC] corporation that his constituents would “expect to see more than one flag” in next year's 268-page annual report

So the battle of the flags begins....

LostToucan · 23/03/2021 06:48

Who would like to watch a live feed of the volcanic eruption currently taking place on Iceland?

www.ruv.is/frett/2021/03/20/live-feed-from-iceland-volcano

DGRossetti · 23/03/2021 07:13

Glad my links get a read. Orwell was particularly scathing about what we now call the left wing metropolitan elite, of course of which he was one. It would be wrong, however, to interpret this as an approval of the right wing establishment.

You're talking to Brexiteers, so that's exactly how they interpret it.

derxa · 23/03/2021 07:34

@DGRossetti

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Fuck that Nicola's really done a number on you hasn't she.