Westminstenders: Move Your Business To The EU

[RedToothBrush]

The government is advising people to move their businesses to the EU to avoid UK taxation and red tape.

Why would you do this?

For the interests of the uk?

Or is it about power WITHIN the uk?

Raoul Ruperal @raoulRuperal
I can understand & have some sympathy that not everyone in Commission can know sensitivities & detail around NI. What is more concerning is the breaches of the legal process of notification in the Protocol & the lack of any discussion with UK or even RoI it seems.

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Anton Spisak @antonspisak
I don’t understand how the EU’s decision could be an “oversight”. The export ban regulation was supposedly drafted by DG Trade (headed by Weyand who has a better grasp of the Brexit brief than anyone else) and the Commission legal service who negotiated the Protocol. Baffling.

As i say EU acted unilaterally. Fucked over and fucked off the Irish who were not consulted. And then clearly went bananas and got it reversed.

"Britain" is never going to re-join the EU. "Britain" is a geographical entity and not a political one.

The UK is not going to be rejoining the EU because its days are numbered.

FUKD might ask to rejoin but be rejected

Well, the Irish have done a good job of demonstrating how small states have a lot of leverage in the EU if they play their cards right.

The Scottish will be watching closely ;)

The mask has slipped...

In fairness to Macron nobody has the data as AZ didn't do enough tests on the 65+ age group. It sounds like it should be fine, but there is no clinical proof at the moment and I imagine France might follow Germany in not giving it to over 65yrs until there is enough data to prove efficacy. I understand that under emergency approval, the UK govt is liable if things go wrong but under the normal approval process followed by the EU, AZ is liable but I'm sure the legions of pharma contract experts on MN will correct me if I'm wrong

I wholeheartedly agree with Mistigi's assessment- British public opinion doesn't really mattter anymore in the EU. The article 16 idiocy seems to have been rectified after a call from the Taoiseach (I'm pretty sure they paid a bit more heed to him than Michael Gove...)and hopefully more MS will have a word to calm the rhetoric.

@peregrina how on earth can you say uk have messed up the vaccine supplly ? Thats one thing we have got right? You think the eu are totally not at fault here and its all the uk's , Why ?

@Mistigri

Well, the Irish have done a good job of demonstrating how small states have a lot of leverage in the EU if they play their cards right.

The Scottish will be watching closely ;)

We know the Irish are likely to play the role of the bridge between the EU and the US now the UK is outside.

They are also now the mediator between the UK and the EU.

Thats a powerful position. With economic benefit.

Won't be lost on a lot of interested parties...

@usuallydormant oh you were in on both calls were you ?
Like you say these are your opinions

On one Swedish newspaper website I read I had to scroll right to the bottom to find a bare bones report on it. The other one I read isn't reporting it at all.

I just looked on the landing page of Le Monde and I can't find anything about it at all.

No one in France is talking about this (except maybe real EU politics obsessives). I'm on a French group which is a bit like this one in its membership (educated, politically aware) and on the Covid thread there is so little to talk about that we are talking about ... ironing .

People are saying in uk countries nothing has been noticed but on other threads where people who live in the eu are stating in some places it has been and in some newspapers.

I mean eu, people mentioning france but there are 26 other eu countries

Well, you'd expect there to be some coverage, but I think the point is that if you go to any of the U.K. media outlets right now you'll find them salivating and hyperventilating about this story, whereas if you go to a typical major European media website you'll have to search for the story.

I don't know about in politics, but in the private sector we have something called a post-mortem where we invest time in (2) only after we complete (1)

Not disagreeing that you should prioritise appropriately when up to your neck in alligators but i don't see a public/private difference.

I've seen many private sector spats basically defending some director's Trumpian views instead of sorting out the mess. Equally I've seen very sensible crisis planning/handling in the civil service.

There are inflated egos in both public and private sectors - but the private sector has always had the advantage that it's cockups can usually be hidden - public sector, pre blatant lying, it was a little trickier.

@Mistigri tbf the british goverment have not responded to much
But the eu clearly have been posting and have put up contract( in fact a little too much)
Do you honestly think the eu you have handled this perfectly ?

Repubblica in Italy were one of the first to carry an interview with Aztrazeneca chief. In the interview he states emotions about the vaccine are running high at the moment. I dont think an Italian newspaper would be carrying the article or Soriot saying that, if the controversy surrounding the vaccine wasn't a thing on the continent

www.google.com/amp/s/www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/26/news/interview_pascal_soriot_ceo_astrazeneca_coronavirus_covid_vaccines-284349628/amp/

I’m not convinced British public opinion did ever matter to the EU.

The EU were keen to be seen to play fair on the world stage. It wasn’t for Remainers or for the U.K.

I think they wanted to encourage Remainers and soft Brexiters to think it worthwhile to fight, because it was in their interest for them to win. They were certainly concerned for the rights of EU citizens. It’s not impossible that the lunatics could have been defeated.

But now the lunatics have won, it’s game over for the moment. I think they recognise that our government is barmy, our democratic representation has major cracks, and that half the country has had its rights rescinded against its will. But there’s not much they can do about it.

Btw i believe the argument over AZ vaccine shipped to the UK centres on 4million doses.

Anyone want to remind me what the population of Ireland is?

Does a separate programme for the Republic and the North make sense for a pandemic?

Is there a way here to resolve matters which makes diplomatic and geographical sense?

@TatianaBis you really think they care about remainers in the uk now and actually want to do anything about that ?

@RedToothBrush do you have proof its 4 million doses ? Does anyone

@RedToothBrush do you really think the eu would allow one eu country to get more vaccines than another ? What would other nations say ? Some with higher death rates

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@TatianaBis you really think they care about remainers in the uk now and actually want to do anything about that ? [/quote]
Not sure why you’d ask that given my post.

@TatianaBis so in your opinion should we of remained as the other half don't count ? What ever way it went some were not going to be happy

Do you honestly think the eu you have handled this perfectly ?

Where did I say that? Please quote if you want to put words in my mouth. Hint: I didn't say that.

EU is throwing its weight around, in a rather uncoordinated manner tonight. But the only country in Europe that is completely losing its shit about this is a Britain.

You know that the U.K. press has completely lost it when the U.K. government response looks sane in comparison. (So far U.K. govt seems to be doing quite well with its management of this particular crisis - though BodgeJob will be along shortly to sort that out).

@TatianaBis because you say theres not much they can do about it now , as if they could they would?

@Mistigri uk press have been crap all through out the pandemic tbf .
It seems headlines don't have to reflect story.
Boris has supposedly spoken to eu now and they have handled it well so far by saying very little
But there are some on here that still seem to blaming uk for whats gone on last couple days