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Westminstenders: Move Your Business To The EU

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2021 14:46

The government is advising people to move their businesses to the EU to avoid UK taxation and red tape.

Why would you do this?

For the interests of the uk?

Or is it about power WITHIN the uk?

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RedToothBrush · 29/01/2021 22:21

Dave Keating @davekeating
Boris Johnson spokesperson: “The U.K. has legally-binding agreements with vaccine suppliers and it would not expect the EU, as a friend and ally, to do anything to disrupt the fulfilment of these contracts.”

Either the UK’s or the EU’s AZ contract isn’t going to be honoured here

And this is the central problem.

There’s only so many doses to go around, and it appears AZ can’t meet its commitments to both the UK and the EU in Q1.

If the EU backs down, it means EU citizens won’t get the doses they were promised.

This is only going to get uglier.

Steve Analyst @emperorsnewc
There is actually another way, and I think it's in the contract. It's time for the Commission to work with the member, states the UK and with AZ in terms of working out how to boost supply.

The AZ contracts can't be filled, arguing over today's supply is just not productive.

Or, we can spend all our time arguing about what we can't fix. Get angry and outraged and maybe plant the seeds of resentment to harvest later on.

I mean... I know people are dying and everything, but why should they be our priority when we can make it all about nationalism?

Those really are the options here.

1. Look at the resources we have between us to see how we can leverage them.

2. Argue the toss and get angry and bitter.

Or both, and then it's down to the order.

I don't know about in politics, but in the private sector we have something called a post-mortem where we invest time in (2) only after we complete (1)

Investing in (2) before (1), when you have to deliver whatever you can whenever you can, is really bad business.

This is the crux of things.

And does the uk want to resolve the problem or invoke nationalism for its own agenda?

Take the Pfizer supply issues. After pressure, BioNTech through the kitchen sink at its Belgium plant and reduced the closure from one month to one week.

Resources here could be thrown at the problem and probably reduce the scale of the shortage.

Bit it lacks political will on both sides to do this.

AZ are caught in the middle of this and now Ireland are too. That doesn't help anyone.

This is where you need the diplomacy.

Where are you going to find it? Who, on both sides, is going to take that leadership.

My problem is ultimately that i dont see any candidates for doing that. In which case yes this is going to start spiralling.

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Mistigri · 29/01/2021 22:21

completely wrecking any chance of Britain ever rejoining the EU

Lol

RedToothBrush · 29/01/2021 22:23

@bellinisurge

Let's hope the Taoiseach will "mention" it to Biden next time he has a chat - US/Ireland currently talking about whether the Taoiseach should go for St Patrick's day as usual.
Actually there's your pair to tell everyone to belt the fuck up.
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RedToothBrush · 29/01/2021 22:24

@Mistigri

completely wrecking any chance of Britain ever rejoining the EU

Lol

Agree. Rejoining is a bit of a fucking fantasy.

Not happening.

Best option for the future is EEA type associate agreement. Not membership.

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RedToothBrush · 29/01/2021 22:28

Dave Keating @davekeating
NEW - Commission will scrub mention of Article 16 Irish border mechanism from export control regulation text.

EU sources say it was an error that will be fixed tonight.

A remarkable oversight, but at least they’re walking it back.

There was this thing that happened but 'didn't really happen' or at least we can all pretend that we didn't really see this thing that didn't happen wasn't significant in any way except it really bloody was.

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Violetparis · 29/01/2021 22:32

Mistigri Guardian article on Macron

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/29/emmanuel-macron-coronavirus-vaccine-exports-eu-controlled

'He also said the AstraZeneca vaccine,given approval by the EU regulatoron Friday for use on all adults, appeared to be “quasi-ineffective” on people older than 65, though he acknowledged he had no figures or official information.'

LouiseCollins28 · 29/01/2021 22:33

@RedToothBrush

Dave Keating *@davekeating* NEW - Commission will scrub mention of Article 16 Irish border mechanism from export control regulation text.

EU sources say it was an error that will be fixed tonight.

A remarkable oversight, but at least they’re walking it back.

There was this thing that happened but 'didn't really happen' or at least we can all pretend that we didn't really see this thing that didn't happen wasn't significant in any way except it really bloody was.

"EU sources say it was an error that will be fixed tonight"

www.brainyquote.com/quotes/maya_angelou_383371#:~:text=Maya%20Angelou%20Quotes&text=Please%20enable%20Javascript-,When%20someone%20shows%20you%20who%20they,believe%20them%20the%20first%20time.

mrslaughan · 29/01/2021 22:40

He is a quote from him - slightly different slant from what the wider British press are reporting .....but I can't say if it's a good translation (as I presume the quote was originally delivered in French)

Westminstenders: Move Your Business To The EU
ListeningQuietly · 29/01/2021 22:40

The UK is no longer in the EU

The EU will look after its own

How long will it take for that to sink in ?

RedToothBrush · 29/01/2021 22:41

Well thats quite the intervention!!!

Barnier is on... Oh wait... Now this is getting really complicated.

Ireland is now in agreement with the UK. The DUP and Sinn Fein are in agreement. And now Barnier is telling the EU to back the fuck down.

I really have not drunk nearly enough tonight (ive been on an alcohol fueled zoom call for 3 and a half hours).

Westminstenders: Move Your Business To The EU
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Peregrina · 29/01/2021 22:43

I still don't trust the British press. It's always the EU's fault until you read the small print and you find that Britain did something or sometimes didn't do something they should have done.

Johnson's belligerence coupled with the jingoism over the vaccines makes a mockery of him talking about EU friends.

Mistigri · 29/01/2021 22:45

You need to start reading some European papers. The British press is quite hysterical at the moment; even some sensible journos seem to have gone a bit loopy about this.

TatianaBis · 29/01/2021 22:46

Agree. Rejoining is a bit of a fucking fantasy.

Not happening.

Best option for the future is EEA type associate agreement. Not membership.

For the foreseeable future there will not be any kind of EEA type anything.

Until Brexit mentality is completely defeated and dead, the EU will not dick about with in/out/half in/half out/salut/au revoir.

It’s a fantasy to think that the U.K. can survive long term without the EU. A Brexit fantasy. But it will take long time of impoverishment and humiliation before that is finally recognised.

Mistigri · 29/01/2021 22:47

but I can't say if it's a good translation (as I presume the quote was originally delivered in French)

Well yes it's the French I would like to hear (or see a transcript). Macron is as capable as any politician of politicking but the quotes don't ring true to me and I can't find any French language references which makes me think there is an element of Chinese whispers here.

RedToothBrush · 29/01/2021 22:48

@ListeningQuietly

The UK is no longer in the EU

The EU will look after its own

How long will it take for that to sink in ?

I think for some quite a bloody long time.

Still that needs to include Ireland as they are still in the EU.

And it also doesn't magic up more vaccine. A trade war will not improve the situation for the EU. It will only suck time and resources away from minimising the problem.

I don't think that everyone has clocked that since 1st January we are all leavers now in the UK (and that includes EU citizens we live permanently or at least semi permanently in the UK). That means that regardless of how we feel about the EU project we are no longer part of it. And that has consequences we have to deal with. We cannot just go 'but the campaign for rejoining'. What about the intervening 20 to 30 years.

A massive reality check needed.

(The EU also need one but in different ways)

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TatianaBis · 29/01/2021 22:55

«Nous avons très peu d’informations sur ce vaccin, on attend de voir les résultats de l’EMA. Aujourd’hui on pense qu’il est quasi inefficace pour les plus de 65 ans », a déclaré le président vendredi lors d’une rencontre avec la presse étrangère. « Ce que je peux vous dire officiellement, c’est que les premiers retours que nous avons ne sont pas aujourd’hui encourageants pour les plus de 60-65 ans sur AstraZeneca. Donc, pour ma part, j’attends d’une part l’avis de l’EMA et, d’autre part, ensuite, l’expression de la Haute Autorité de santé [française] parce qu’eux ont les chiffres. » « Moi, je n’ai aucune donnée et je n’ai pas d’équipe de scientifiques qui regarde ces chiffres-là en propre », a-t-il cependant reconnu.

www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2021/01/29/le-vaccin-pfizer-biontech-n-est-pas-lie-a-des-deces-post-vaccination-selon-l-agence-europeenne-des-medicaments_6068063_3244.html

FatCatThinCat · 29/01/2021 22:55

@Peregrina

I would be very surprised if our Government and press are reporting accurately. Why start now after four and a half years.
It's knocked the 100,000 dead right out of the news. Pure coincidence I'm sure. Hmm
ListeningQuietly · 29/01/2021 22:56

My head is in the USA at the moment - it makes the distance to France more in perspective Sad

Mistigri · 29/01/2021 22:57

Well, I tracked down the Macron quotes, and they are indeed selective, missing off the last bit in which he says that he is waiting for the opinion of the Haute Autorité de Santé (HAS, France's NICE) because they are the ones who have the data.

I do a lot of translation involving HAS recommendations (tend to be very conservative) and I suspect they will follow the German line on this.

Mistigri · 29/01/2021 22:59

LQ, so sorry about your parent. Awful for those apart from elderly relatives :( Haven't seen my mum for a year now, miss her every day.

LouiseCollins28 · 29/01/2021 23:00

Good last post that Red I agree reality check sorely needed. TBH, tonight = reality check delivered.

In other news, credit to Michel Barnier who sounds like he's been trying to the Commission back from the brink.

Hazelnutlatteplease · 29/01/2021 23:00

French source for Macrons comments, including his admission he didnt have the data (not that that stopped him commenting)

here

Hazelnutlatteplease · 29/01/2021 23:01

Cross post

FatCatThinCat · 29/01/2021 23:03

@Mistigri

You need to start reading some European papers. The British press is quite hysterical at the moment; even some sensible journos seem to have gone a bit loopy about this.
Yep. On one Swedish newspaper website I read I had to scroll right to the bottom to find a bare bones report on it. The other one I read isn't reporting it at all.
donewithitalltodayandxmas · 29/01/2021 23:06

@peregrina you don't have to just read the press listen to interviews and read actual tweets from some