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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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SabrinaThwaite · 22/01/2021 19:29

She also pays sick pay, mat pay and holiday pay. When she started out in the business, she was exploited and she refuses to do that now that she's the employer, but it isn't like that in most yards.

I suspect that HMRC has cracked down on sports employment - I took over running a sports business and immediately had to take on all 60 part time staff as employees rather than self employed contractors. It was enforced via our PL / EL insurance too.

FrankieStein402 · 22/01/2021 19:36

Only in the interests of squashing misinformation ASAP rather than continuing the thread diversion:

For example, when there is a collision my understanding is the fires are difficult to extinguish and burn very very hot

Sorry - not even vaguely true of any battery vehicle on the road today.

A simple google provides a reasonable summary and a link to a 2015 US NHTSA report:
www.allenandallen.com/are-electric-cars-safer-in-collisions/

(The linked report includes the conclusion:

Neither ANCAP nor IIHS crashworthiness testing has identified safety-related issues associated with the high-voltage RESS of electric and hybrid vehicles. In fact, test results suggest that, as a class, these vehicles are more crashworthy than their conventionally powered counterparts.
)

The Trump/Boris/antivax shenanigans have shown us that it is important to avoid untruths.

borntobequiet · 22/01/2021 19:39

I have two lovely and clever nephews, one diligent and hard working, the other more laid back and more often found on the Rugby pitch through school and University, resulting in more than one exam resit (and a number of quite nasty injuries).
However he managed to get on an MA course in , loved it, did extremely well and is now hugely in demand - he works in battery technology. His brother hated his university course and is now retraining in something entirely different. There’s a moral there, but I’m not sure what it is.

TheElementsOfMedical · 22/01/2021 19:39

About car sharing schemes - we live in the city-suburban part of a large city, and although we have plenty of parking (also have a drive) we got rid of our car a couple of years ago. We joined a car club and it's really easy to book a car, just using an app, and we've never yet had a problem with lack of availability. The nearest club cars are located less than half a mile away. Some are hybrids or full electric.

mathanxiety · 22/01/2021 19:48

I was gobsmacked to read of GP surgeries offering vaccinations to patients alphabetically, but the report of NHS workers being denied vaccinations because of residence status takes the biscuit.

What the heck is happening?

Are medical professionals signing off on these frankly ludicrous protocols that make absolutely no sense from a medical pov? These brain fart protocols may yet serve to prolong the covid misery and may even contribute to more needless deaths.

mathanxiety · 22/01/2021 20:27

What's wrong with someone having an unskilled job?

@Mamamia456
Unskilled jobs - great if you can find one, nothing at all wrong with them.

It's the hope of that poster from a while back that an unskilled job would be a well paid unskilled job that is unrealistic, given the well-advertised-in-advance bonfire of unskilled workers' rights contemplated by the Tories.

mathanxiety · 22/01/2021 20:33

Also, to the best of my recollection, the insinuation that post Brexit Britain would offer well paid unskilled jobs to British people was tied in with the idea that droves of immigrants had taken unskilled jobs for less than Britons were willing to work for, and pushed the wages down.

So I have little sympathy with that poster.

mrslaughan · 22/01/2021 20:41

@born - I think the lesson is , is that education is a journey , and you may make some wrong turns along the way..... but as long as you stay flexible in your mindset, long term it doesn't have to hold you back.

ListeningQuietly · 22/01/2021 20:43

I know of jobs that would be regarded as unskilled
in that the holders of them are illiterate and have no paper qualifications
BUT
the chaps who get well paid for them by that I mean over £30k pa
have years and years of experience
otherwise known as skill

the chap whose work tools are two shovels, a pickaxe and a bloody great metal spike
and no sense of cold and wet
has 20 years of expertise to justify his £185 a day

Paper pushers live in such bubbles - particularly during COVID lockdowns

borntobequiet · 22/01/2021 20:46

@mrslaughan So true! I was chucked out of school. Imagine my surprise when I found I had inadvertently become a teacher!

jasjas1973 · 22/01/2021 20:50

Depends what you mean by unskilled....

I ve just watched a tiler at work, unbelievably skillful, yet zero formal qualifications... earns more than most people with a degree, in fact probably anyone with a degree.

I'm not talking about domestic stuff but large commercial etc.

Worked all over the world, committed remainer, got a diploma for public speaking once.... weird!

HannibalHayes · 22/01/2021 21:02

Ah. Pro-Brexit haulier changes his mind over the past two weeks.

And, rather surprisingly for someone so pro-Brexit, registered his company in Poland in February 2020. That's true optimism, that is...

newstart1234 · 22/01/2021 21:19

My info on electric cars came from watching motorway cops probably from years ago... I stand corrected 😅

Coquohvan · 22/01/2021 21:26

@ListeningQuietly
Paper pushers live in such bubbles - particularly during COVID lockdowns
^This

DrBlackbird · 22/01/2021 22:21

We are expecting the heaviest lobbying from industries that are in secular decline,” said one senior minister in early January last year

From that FT article. So all is clear now as to what was the plan all along. We have the pleasure of a living through a centrally planned economy. Clearly our government ministers know better than the market. Is this thanks to Cummings time spent in Russia?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 22/01/2021 23:30

I've come late to this thread so I'm not 100% sure where the unskilled worker chat started but many many years ago I am now so old enough o can claim this sadly I worked on projects to have refugee medical skills recognised or funded 'upskilling'programs. Many of those people I worked with had medical doctorates but were working as in more considered unskilled jobs. In reality that also applies to other countries where people may migrate from but we don't recognise their degrees (this may not necessarily be a bad thing, but acts as a big financial barrier).

Though tbh I've come across many a cleaner who's skills I wished I had so I'm not going to mock them for not having a certificate in cleaning.

Peregrina · 23/01/2021 09:00

I signed a petition about rejoining the EU (a waste of time, I know).
This is the Government's response:

The Government was elected on a clear mandate to deliver the result of the 2016 referendum, the largest democratic vote in British history. The Government has no plans to rejoin the EU.

The Government was elected in 2019 on a manifesto which made clear our plans to exit the EU, and that the transition period would end on 31 December 2020. The Government delivered on that mandate, securing an FTA with the EU, and has no plans to rejoin the EU.

This Government’s election in 2019 reinforced the result of the referendum result in 2016, where 17,410,742 people voted to leave the EU.

We left the EU on 31 January 2020, which 330 MPs voted in favour for, resulting in the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act receiving Royal Assent on 23 January 2020.

On 24 December 2020 we secured an agreement with the EU that takes back control of our laws, borders, money, and fisheries, and ends any role for the European Court.

On 31 December 2020, 521 MPs voted for the European Union (Future Relationship) Act 2020 to receive Royal Assent. This Act has made the changes necessary to UK domestic law to implement obligations under the UK/EU Trade Cooperation Agreement and the Nuclear Cooperation Agreement.

The point to note here are the votes in 2020. It's clear that it was only a Tory and DUP vote in January, by December Labour foolishly IMO went along with it.

Now that the first 3 weeks haven't begun to deliver the unicorns suggested, note how Labour will get the blame. Johnson and chums will swan off as all the other prominent Leavers have done.

Peregrina · 23/01/2021 09:15

Chris Grey again has posted an excellent blogspot.

Note this paragraph:
That reality represents the exposure of the lies or misunderstandings, going right back to before the referendum, that a trade deal would more or less replicate the conditions of single market and customs union membership. Associated with that was the monocular focus on the removal of tariffs as being the sole issue. It has not come out of a clear blue sky. It was warned of repeatedly (Dr Matt Bishop of Sheffield University gave an excellent summary with multiple links in February 2020) and those warnings were ridiculed and dismissed. But now we have, precisely, a zero tariffs trade deal and the warnings have been proved right.

I am quite sure that Johnson and chums really did think that they could continue with the same terms yet at the same time not pay any dues, not obey ECJ laws so that they could make some nice juicy deals with a Trump America.

SabrinaThwaite · 23/01/2021 09:24

The Twitter thread referred to in the Chris Gray blog is a good collation of what are structural trade issues rather than “teething troubles”:

twitter.com/rdanielkelemen/status/1348964732104007680

SabrinaThwaite · 23/01/2021 09:36

Also appears that UK bound traffic from Dublin is almost non-existent.

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SabrinaThwaite · 23/01/2021 09:46

More winning:

Jim Harra, Chief Executive of HM Revenue and Customs, told a House of Commons select committee on Thursday that the UK Government had given HMRC instructions to „prioritise flow over compliance”.

He also cited a study from the Office of Budget Responsibility, which estimates that this strategy will see the UK will lose £800m in customs duty and VAT in 2021.

trans.info/en/hmrc-chief-loosening-of-customs-checks-on-trucks-to-cost-uk-800m-in-2021-219017

Peregrina · 23/01/2021 10:19

Chris Grey's final paragraph also nails it. The refusal by the Government to give full Ambassadorial status to the EU Ambassador because they represent an 'International organisation' means that the EU can't be the super state that the Brexiters/Leavers enjoy banging on about.

TatianaBis · 23/01/2021 10:52

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/cheshire-cheesemaker-says-business-left-with-250000-brexit-hole

Cheesemaker lost 20% of business ‘overnight’ despite extensive preparations. Now must transfer £1million investment to France from planned centre in Macclesfield with loss of 20 jobs.

TatianaBis · 23/01/2021 10:54

I don’t think of tilers as ‘unskilled’ - it’s a trade.

Unskilled to me is more like shelf stacking, casual labouring work which needs not training etc.

It’s also true that there are many immigrants working unskilled jobs way below their training and skillset - if they can’t find relevant work.

Peregrina · 23/01/2021 11:21

But at least the unskilled shelf stacking will be an opportunity for all those Leave voters.