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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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ListeningQuietly · 23/01/2021 14:52

The Wine trade is one of the most paperwork savvy in the world.

The vast majority of importers are utterly used to import clearance and deferment and VAT and duty and safety certificates

because they import from all over the world

the fact that THEY are stressed and not coping
shows that its the SYSTEM that is broken

TatianaBis · 23/01/2021 14:53

The Times: Brexit red tape strangling small firms.

Tens of thousands of small British firms being crippled by new Brexit red tape they say.

Many businesses are pulling out of selling to EU customers as the costs and bureaucracy have made it uneconomic.

27,000 businesses are believed to be affected by the new rules. Around 10-20% of sales for many.

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops
mrslaughan · 23/01/2021 14:58

Talking to a friend in the horse industry- he used to be able to move horse from Ireland to the uk for approx £390 each - sometime it maybe £500...... it's now looking like £1100 plus vat....
on top of that you have 2days from the final vet very to get the to them uk - so depending where they are, if you have something happen...(storm so ferries won't take livestock for instance) .

Racing industry - particularly the breeding side - completely screwed this year as huge numbers of brood mares are usually moved at this time of the year to Ireland to be covered ..... and that is looking very unlikely.....

ListeningQuietly · 23/01/2021 15:15

MrsL
Again, industries that are utterly used to international trade and procedures
totally screwed over.

How long will the big money keep their horses in the UK
rather than move them permanently to the continent?

Which will screw over Ireland as well because nobody will risk putting valuable bloodstock on the Rosslare / Cherbourg crossing in winter.

mrslaughan · 23/01/2021 15:41

Yep - horse transporters have already said they can't use that route October to April 😟 ...... you use an expression- is it a smugglers charter? There's is already moves amongst the leisure horse industry to register horses to Northern Ireland addresses - then use Nther Ireland registered trucks to bring them via Scotland ..... but this can only be small volumes ......this isn't going to work for the "big boys"
The big sales in Ireland - for example Goresbridge - are screwed..... though increasing the high end has been going to USA - but England was still a big market.

Peregrina · 23/01/2021 15:56

There's is already moves amongst the leisure horse industry to register horses to Northern Ireland addresses - then use Nther Ireland registered trucks to bring them via Scotland

How does that get round the rules?

TonMoulin · 23/01/2021 15:56

So.... on a slightly different subject (but not so much), do you think I can start eating my way through my brexit stockpile ? Or I should wait until after June when no products will be waived through anymore?

pointythings · 23/01/2021 15:59

Do we all remember that Leavers used to say the EU was evil for slapping punitive tariffs for imports from African countries (never mind that there were FTAs in place so that was by no means universal) and that the UK, free from the EU, would never do such a thing?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-tariffs-bananas-africa-farmers-b1791225.html

Not so much.

mrslaughan · 23/01/2021 16:09

@Peregrina

There's is already moves amongst the leisure horse industry to register horses to Northern Ireland addresses - then use Nther Ireland registered trucks to bring them via Scotland

How does that get round the rules?

I am not really completely sure - what I do know is horse transport trucks have to have a special cert for in the EU and then for the UK - they have previously recognised each other's certs - and now they don't. So a truck from Nothern Ireland can transport into the UK without extra regulatory hoops - that the ROI trucks do have to jump through . The other thing is a horse that is in ROI has to have bloods and quarantine (vets fees are a huge part of the extra cost)before it comes over, and I presume that if it is registered in NI - it won't need that.
ListeningQuietly · 23/01/2021 16:54

TonMoulin
As per this thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/4133410-Using-up-Brexit-stockpile
No.
Because its now a multi purpose larder stash

ListeningQuietly · 23/01/2021 16:56

So a truck from Nothern Ireland can transport into the UK without extra regulatory hoops - that the ROI trucks do have to jump through .
No.
Ochon will be able to confirm
but Northern Ireland is, in customs law, currently the same as the Republic

mrslaughan · 23/01/2021 17:39

So they think they have found a way around it - but haven't?

ListeningQuietly · 23/01/2021 17:56

@mrslaughan

So they think they have found a way around it - but haven't?
Sadly I think so. Belfast is Dublin for import paperwork purposes
ListeningQuietly · 23/01/2021 18:13

Anybody else been watching this story develop
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-crowds-at-heathrow-airport-spark-social-distancing-concerns-12196069

I then started looking up where flights were going out of T2
and then Gatwick
why does anybody NEED to go to Tenerife at the moment

and now it turns out that this afternoon, to clear the crush, they just opened the gates and let everybody in

  • no COVID checks
  • no Nothing

I mean FFS Taking Control of our Borders

Shrillharridan · 23/01/2021 18:24

Staggering incompetence

Peregrina · 23/01/2021 18:58

Sadly I think so. Belfast is Dublin for import paperwork purposes

That's what I thought, which was why I asked.
I know nothing about horse breeding, but I suspect that those Irish stables which did business with Great Britain will just see if they can boost their trade with the USA.

I wonder how Dido Harding and other horse racing people feel about their chum Boris. Who hasn't he let down?

HannibalHayes · 23/01/2021 19:16

Great. We've reached the point in Brexit where the government tells UK companies to lay off British staff, open EU operations and employ EU based staff to circumvent Brexit barriers.

I don't think I can bear much more of this winning...

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 23/01/2021 19:19

LQ:
To quote from that article,

"if you had one aircraft of let's say 300 people, you'd need a queue about 1km long to socially distance just one aircraft".

300 people x 2metres = 600 metres, not 1km. Often, people fly in pairs or groups, so you wouldn't need even 600 metres.

Confused.

ListeningQuietly · 23/01/2021 19:24

ICould
The article was full of the buck being passed at high speed at head height

hannibal
That article is mental
(love the picture though, happy memories of milk bottles balanced on those windowsills)
HOW is it taking back control to move the profitable parts of UK business back into the EU Hmm

AuldAlliance · 23/01/2021 19:26

I was just coming on to link to that article. Bit slow, clearly...
This says it all:
"Moss said it was now clear that Brexit was not about winning back control from the EU but investing in it to survive."

TatianaBis · 23/01/2021 19:45

So much for sovereignty.

TatianaBis · 23/01/2021 20:04

"Moss said it was now clear that Brexit was not about winning back control from the EU but investing in it to survive."

This really is the new keynote of Brexit.

ListeningQuietly · 23/01/2021 20:09

23 June 2016 : Brexit vote

23 January 2021 : the excrement is blocking the vanes of the ventilation device

23 June 2021: all bets are off

HannibalHayes · 23/01/2021 20:53

Interesting from twitter

"Were you aware that Johnson had his school fees paid by the EU - including Eton?
Dad was a European Commission official and because he was working ‘abroad’ the school fees were paid."

No conformation, but would push the pisstakeometer to it's limits...

SabrinaThwaite · 23/01/2021 21:03

@HannibalHayes

Interesting from twitter

"Were you aware that Johnson had his school fees paid by the EU - including Eton?
Dad was a European Commission official and because he was working ‘abroad’ the school fees were paid."

No conformation, but would push the pisstakeometer to it's limits...

Johnson would have had free schooling at the European School in Brussels, but I suspect his parents would have paid for UK schooling?