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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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DGRossetti · 23/01/2021 21:14

@HannibalHayes

Great. We've reached the point in Brexit where the government tells UK companies to lay off British staff, open EU operations and employ EU based staff to circumvent Brexit barriers.

I don't think I can bear much more of this winning...

I think it needs to be pointed out at every single possible opportunity (and they are myriad) that the only beneficiary of Brexit is the EU. You need salt in the wound to wake some people up.

I can see June 23 becoming an EU wide day of celebration in 10 years time.

Ellie56 · 23/01/2021 21:24

So to get round the Brexit paperwork nightmare, the government is telling UK businesses to open up bases in the EU, and employ EU staff and lay off British staff as a consequence?

I must have got it wrong. I thought the sunlit uplands were supposed to be in the UK, not the EU. Hmm

SabrinaThwaite · 23/01/2021 21:26

@Ellie56

So to get round the Brexit paperwork nightmare, the government is telling UK businesses to open up bases in the EU, and employ EU staff and lay off British staff as a consequence?

I must have got it wrong. I thought the sunlit uplands were supposed to be in the UK, not the EU. Hmm

I didn’t see “Save your UK business by setting up in the EU” on the side of that bus?
Peregrina · 23/01/2021 21:54

but I suspect his parents would have paid for UK schooling?

Not sure. Don't Crown Servants overseas and Forces children get UK school fees paid?

RedToothBrush · 23/01/2021 21:55

We got the third call apparently. After neighbours Canada and Mexico.

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ListeningQuietly · 23/01/2021 22:00

TBH Johnson's school fees being paid by his father's employer is neither here nor there

The Guardian has always paid boarding school fees for all staffers
yes Polly Toynbee, you took the bung too

I'll not begrudge Johnson for benefiting from what was standard at the time
BUT
I'll also not allow people to say that Eton entry was in any way academic at the time

SabrinaThwaite · 23/01/2021 22:02

MEPs aren’t crown servants though?

European Schools were set up for the children of EU employees and Johnson attended the Brussels school.

You’d need to know if MEPs get (got) allowances for school fees in their home countries.

Peregrina · 23/01/2021 22:13

I'll also not allow people to say that Eton entry was in any way academic at the time

But Leavers/Johnson groupies have told us how clever he was because he won a scholarship.

My response is usually that we all know people who are clever but bone idle and get overtaken by people who are prepared to work for their success.

Apropos of academic standards in the past - I recall when the League tables first came out and GCSE and A level results were published, one of the local Private schools was turning out pupils with typical grades of 2 A levels at D & E. For this parents paid quite generous fees. They did up their game in later years.

ListeningQuietly · 23/01/2021 22:17

But Leavers/Johnson groupies have told us how clever he was because he won a scholarship.
Due to an anomaly, I was in the same year as Johnson as school.
I also mixed in the same circles
(Hurlingham etc)
Eton boys were signed up at birth by their grandfathers
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St Mary's Calne never recovered from league tables Wink

SabrinaThwaite · 23/01/2021 22:20

There was always the joke that you had to apply for Eton / Harrow / Rugby before the child was even born.

That joke also made it into Frasier (the Ichabod Crane episode).

SabrinaThwaite · 23/01/2021 22:21

Hah! Cross post with LQ.

SabrinaThwaite · 23/01/2021 22:26

@ListeningQuietly

But Leavers/Johnson groupies have told us how clever he was because he won a scholarship. Due to an anomaly, I was in the same year as Johnson as school. I also mixed in the same circles (Hurlingham etc) Eton boys were signed up at birth by their grandfathers end

St Mary's Calne never recovered from league tables Wink

Did you make their list of notable alumnae?
inquietant · 23/01/2021 23:00

@HannibalHayes

Interesting from twitter

"Were you aware that Johnson had his school fees paid by the EU - including Eton?
Dad was a European Commission official and because he was working ‘abroad’ the school fees were paid."

No conformation, but would push the pisstakeometer to it's limits...

Maybe that's why he hates Europe, because they sent him away to boarding school!
Peregrina · 23/01/2021 23:15

Did you make their list of notable alumnae?

As far as I am aware, it doesn't run to any. Some years afterwards, having been all girls, it went co-educational. It's my guess that this was in part because numbers were dropping. Other local independent schools didn't need to change their single sex approach. It may have prided itself on not being an academic hot house, but with some good comprehensives locally, there must have been parents wondering if the fees they paid were worthwhile.

Peregrina · 23/01/2021 23:19

I think Johnson, Ursula von der Leyen and Layla Moran all went to the same school in Brussels, though I assume at different times.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 24/01/2021 09:38

@Goingtothebudgies flagged this excellent article, on another thread:

edition.cnn.com/2021/01/23/business/brexit-business-intl-gbr/index.html

DGRossetti · 24/01/2021 11:01

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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops
Tanith · 24/01/2021 11:09

Parents usually start looking at private secondary schools in year 5, including Eton, Winchester, Charterhouse and Harrow.
Some boys have their names on from birth, but it isn't necessary, especially if they're going for scholarships.
I think Radley was an exception, with lists closing earlier, but that may have changed now.

Tanith · 24/01/2021 11:12

I saw the Express reporting that Biden wants the UK to rejoin the EU.
Not sure how much of that is a pre-emptive strike on their part.

DGRossetti · 24/01/2021 11:29

@Tanith

I saw the Express reporting that Biden wants the UK to rejoin the EU. Not sure how much of that is a pre-emptive strike on their part.
Of course he does. He never wanted the clusterfuck that is Brexit, and pretty much all US industry (which appears to have had a similar relationship with Trump that UK industries have with Johnson) would have been screaming via Obama that Brexit was possibly the worst idea since someone at NASA said "You know this moon thing ? Why don't we bring it here instead of going there ?"

The EU - a single market of 450 million consumers is very important to US industry. And it was perfect that they could site in the UK, cozy up to the UK government and have a very significant voice when it came to EU regulations. (Like for example over Google, or driverless cars, or aerospace. Or any big industry).

Now they have to shrink investment in the UK - a market of just 65 million (and shrinking fast) people, and redirect it into an EU country. France emerging as a favourite.

And some in the UK think we'd be welcomed with a ticker tape parade for that stunning display of idiocy ??????

Still, at least the UK is now being honest with the world and admitting the advantages of being in the customs union. Which I admit surprised me. I had that down for a sneaky one line in a ministerial briefing somewhere.

HesterThrale · 24/01/2021 11:34

Thanks for the interesting CNN link, Icouldhavecheckedfirst.

This bit worried me. Will our ‘lawmakers’ ever have the courage to break away from the party line?

Many of Johnson's Conservative lawmakers are struggling with how to reply to their constituents. "The party gave us lines to read out when the deal came through presenting it as a huge success, but as time goes on, it's clear there's quite a lot of nasty surprises in Pandora's box," says one Conservative member of parliament who is not permitted to speak on-the-record about government policy outside of their brief.
...
"Once the fog of Covid lifts, financial and professional services firms looking to expand globally will see London and realize that we have given up quite a lot of our competitive advantage," says the Conservative member of parliament.

DGRossetti · 24/01/2021 11:39

This has to be trolling on an international scale:

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1388274/SNP-latest-Nicola-Sturgeon-Scottish-referendum-independence-Boris-Johnson-news-vn

..

A new Sunday Times poll has suggested that the "Union is in crisis" after suggesting that voters want a referendum on Scottish independence and a united Ireland.

If those undecided are excluded, 52 percent of those polled want independence compared to 48 percent who are against breaking away from the UK.

DGRossetti · 24/01/2021 11:41

@Tanith

I saw the Express reporting that Biden wants the UK to rejoin the EU. Not sure how much of that is a pre-emptive strike on their part.
The UKs "Daily Express" ? All I saw was a story about "turbocharging a UK-US deal" alongside another story about how Britain's Brexit success is giving the EU a headache as countries queue up to leave.

Either that, or we are posting from parallel universes now ?

HesterThrale · 24/01/2021 11:45

No courgettes or aubergines at my local supermarket this weekend. Wonder if they’re rotting in a container at Dover or Calais?
(I checked and a lot come to the U.K. from southern Spain.)

And...

According to a spokesperson for Logistics UK, "in the short term, while supply chains sort themselves out, it may be that we return to a more seasonal approach to shopping or have a more limited range to choose from." This could mean that after decades of fresh fruit and vegetables at all times of the year, Brits might have to start seeing strawberries as summer treat, for example.

edition.cnn.com/2021/01/23/business/brexit-business-intl-gbr/index.html

Emilyontmoor · 24/01/2021 11:50

Eton does not even claim to select the brightest, they have some vaguely worded criteria about “ To achieve this we have developed an admissions process which looks at a boy’s current and potential academic ability as well as whether he will be happy in our boarding environment.” which basically means they have a type though they do want a few super bright pupils to keep them from sinking too far down the tables. Pupils with SpLDs are woefully underrepresented compared to schools like Westminster and Winchester that do recognise that those pupils have potential too (the stats used to be that Eton took 4%, mostly diagnosed post entry, whilst Westminster have 10% and offer extra time in entrance exams etc.) .

A lot of children go to private schools from the affluent middle class (but think bankers, lawyers not old money) Borough I live in (partly because traditionally to maximise budgets it didn’t meet the demand for state school places Angry )but I have only ever known three boys go to Eton. One definitely wasn’t the brightest but his father was old money and his mother a very pushy American, the other two were sons of our former Tory Council leader, one of them is in the famous photo with Boris. His daughter went to St Mary’s Ascot which even St Mary’s Calne would put in the shade. I couldn’t speculate why they might go to great lengths to get the boys to Eton but let the daughter end up in a —wife factory— less academic school.

The brightest who are going to board go to Westminster, or Winchester (the Sunak route) but most go to private day schools with less pretensions....