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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 11:48

@RedToothBrush

And if we had that imagination, we could have and should have been using it inside the EU.
Many of us wanted that and would have got behind it.

Worth noting it was never offered. And Blairs rhetoric turned out - like Brexiteer bonces - to be hollow and empty.

cardswapping · 22/01/2021 12:03

Apologies if already shared, the FT have published a (long) good article on how we got the deal we did:

Inside the Brexit deal: the agreement and the aftermath

RedToothBrush · 22/01/2021 12:08

@cardswapping

Apologies if already shared, the FT have published a (long) good article on how we got the deal we did:

Inside the Brexit deal: the agreement and the aftermath

I was just about to link to that

Peter Foster has also written another thread (along the lines of the above article) in which he points out that various people tried to get the government to do impact assessments of various sectors but were always told a flat 'No'.

What is interesting is the degree to which the Star Chamber had influence. It is made up pretty much exclusively of the super rich.

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Mamamia456 · 22/01/2021 12:08

The Element - The only one's trying to dictate anything are the remainers on here, not wanting Clavinova and others posting. Nice try though.

As a PP said no one owns threads.

TheElementsOfMedical · 22/01/2021 12:17

It's so hard being Life's Winners, when those damn Losers just won't bow down and kiss one's fragrant gluteus maximus in the (unarguably) entirely deserved way.

Why, it's basically identical to being Bullied and Dictated.

Oh, the terrible Injustice!

^^

Jason118 · 22/01/2021 12:19

Clav (and anyone) can post what they like. I never read clavs stuff, however I do enjoy the rebuttal replies. So although they can be very squirrel like, without rebuttal they stand. Please keep debunking (where appropriate) the 'winnings' from Brexit. I use the term winnings incorrectly.

TheElementsOfMedical · 22/01/2021 12:23

Clav (and anyone) can post what they like.

Exactomundo!

People can post stuff. Other people can post stuff calling it bovine excrement. They can also post stuff suggesting that bovine excrement is not enjoyable to read, and how nice it would be if bovine excrement wasn't posted here. That does not mean that the depositor of said bovine excrement is somehow being bullied/silenced/etc.

Ditto, people can post that their fellow depositor of bovine excrement is being bullied/silenced/etc, and others can call that bovine excrement too.

mrslaughan · 22/01/2021 12:23

Just came on to share Peter Fosters thread - it's really good..... I believe it the one RED references down thread

twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1352575097308143616?s=21

TheElementsOfMedical · 22/01/2021 12:27

[quote mrslaughan]Just came on to share Peter Fosters thread - it's really good..... I believe it the one RED references down thread

twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1352575097308143616?s=21[/quote]
That really is an eye-opening thread!

Peregrina · 22/01/2021 12:30

Brexit Arms - not me either.

DGR - Quite. Those voting Leave in 2016 might have expected more money for the NHS and might well have expected that we would stay in the Single Market as per the Tory Manifesto and reiterated by Danial Hannan.

Those voting Tory in 2019 - tough. You voted for a pig in a poke and you got a pig in a poke.

HannibalHayes · 22/01/2021 12:37

Mamamia's post is very like Lawrence Fox shouting about how he's being silenced. In his newspaper columns. His TV appearances. All his social media accounts...

AuldAlliance · 22/01/2021 12:45

Have been lurking and was just popping very belatedly on to the thread, treading carefully amidst the discarded nutshells and other squirrel detritus, to mention that FT article that several others already have.

Quite eye-opening.

TatianaBis · 22/01/2021 12:50

Posters aren't complaining because Clav is a Leaver, but because her posts are crap.

Of late, it's been more like trolling. No serious engagement with Brexit at all: just C&P spamming.

Peregrina · 22/01/2021 13:08

I've more respect for Leavers who admit that they have been conned. That takes a certain amount of courage.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 13:31

[quote mrslaughan]Just came on to share Peter Fosters thread - it's really good..... I believe it the one RED references down thread

twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1352575097308143616?s=21[/quote]
I was impressed yesterday at how the EU had stitched the UK up.

I am even more impressed today.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 13:33

@Peregrina

I've more respect for Leavers who admit that they have been conned. That takes a certain amount of courage.
Ironically seems like unicorn hunting to me.

The question is for all the bravado in public, how will people act in the privacy of the ballot box ?

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 13:41

Fuck business ?

Only after we fuck the environment, Mr. Johnson.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757931

UK retailers could abandon goods EU customers want to return, with some even thinking of burning them because it is cheaper than bringing them home.

Peregrina · 22/01/2021 13:50

how will people act in the privacy of the ballot box ?

Tory: but Labour/libDem/SNP blah blah.{Strike through as appropriate.)

ListeningQuietly · 22/01/2021 13:52

I would welcome posts from leavers if they had ever been based in the reality of business and trade and politics
but they are not

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 13:57

@ListeningQuietly

I would welcome posts from leavers if they had ever been based in the reality of business and trade and politics but they are not
In the four plus years we have all been here, we damn well know not a single leaver has been found who is able to articulate beyond "taking back control" and when engaged with eventually descend through the soundbites (very reminiscent of the ladder of options the EU prepared, now I think about it) until talk of borders and immigration surfaces.

Four years. Hundreds of conversations. Not a single variant.

I do know people who voted Leave for much more niche reasons. They are appalled and disowned the vote as soon as the racism emerged. Well meaning, but naive. Sadly that's all it takes.

LouiseCollins28 · 22/01/2021 13:59

Waves at DGR Smile.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 14:01

@HannibalHayes

Mamamia's post is very like Lawrence Fox shouting about how he's being silenced. In his newspaper columns. His TV appearances. All his social media accounts...
DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 14:04

First comment:

Brexit promise: Frictionless trade.
Brexit reality: Tradeless friction.

Shrillharridan · 22/01/2021 14:10

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jasjas1973 · 22/01/2021 14:11

@Mamamia456

The Element - The only one's trying to dictate anything are the remainers on here, not wanting Clavinova and others posting. Nice try though.

As a PP said no one owns threads.

Nonsense.

Clav is welcome to post whatever she likes but when she comes out with "less gas guzzling lorries on uk roads" as a benefit of the collapse in freight traffic to/fro ROI and Wales... then expect to be ridiculed.

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