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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 14:14

Clav is welcome to post whatever she likes but when she comes out with "less gas guzzling lorries on uk roads" as a benefit of the collapse in freight traffic to/fro ROI and Wales... then expect to be ridiculed.

I think it's fair to say we'd all like to see the benefits of the Brexit that was sold in 2016. Not any scrappy leftovers in hindsight.

Shrillharridan · 22/01/2021 14:17

Posting is fine
But posters who post shit, lie, obfuscate and gaslight will be called out on it.
Poor lambs 🐑

Peregrina · 22/01/2021 14:21

We'd all like that £350 million a week for the NHS.

The FT report is sobering. I wonder how much influence Cummings' wrecking ideology was behind it.

I would also note that it's most definitely an attempt to make it clear that it's Johnson deal. Sooner or later the Tories will stab him in the back.

prettybird · 22/01/2021 14:22

LouiseCollins28 has always engaged constructively Smile

I think there was only one occasion that I can recall where I couldn't even respect her viewpoint - and I can't even remember what that particular discussion was about.

ListeningQuietly · 22/01/2021 14:25

I agree that Louise has always been friendly and polite
BUT
She's never yet been able to give a measurable success of Brexit

which is not her fault
as there aren't any Grin

Shrillharridan · 22/01/2021 14:28

Constructive?
In what way?
Not ever mentioning a single plus for brexit?
😒
More squirrels
Tedious

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 14:37

LouiseCollins28 has always engaged constructively

Hmm

Nowhere near as turbo c'n'p-ing as some, but ultimately no objective justification for Brexit. Merely a load of "da feelz" waffle.

If Brexiteers had been able to give concrete benefits, with properly sourced data, it would have been constructive. But the one thing historians will note in future (maybe not English ones though) will be the singular lack of such in debate before the referendum and indeed the 4 years following. Once you apply the razor of reality we ended up where we started. Either a shopping list of things that the UK could have done anyway (blue passports) or a shopping list of things that didn't actually exist.

Brexit to reality is like flat-earth to astronomy.

prettybird · 22/01/2021 14:41

I didn't say she had come up with any real benefits: I said she had always engaged constructively. As Listening says, she has always been friendly and polite - and doesn't act as a squirrel.

I do my best to afford her the same courtesy Smile I do actually read her posts, unlike certain other poster(s) whose posts I just scroll past Grin

Shrillharridan · 22/01/2021 14:41

Polite?
Nah.

Peregrina · 22/01/2021 14:41

Correct me if I am wrong Louise, but I think you wanted better animal husbandry, or was it environmental standards? Either way, it very much looks as though the Johnson Government will let you down on that one. Johnson and his chums are interested in one thing only and that is how much money they can make.

Shrillharridan · 22/01/2021 14:43

Where there's muck there's brass

LouiseCollins28 · 22/01/2021 14:44

I was just stopping by to disprove the "talk of borders and immigration surfaces" and "thousands of conversations, not a single variant" points. I've honestly enjoyed discussing this stuff with most of you over the last 2/3 years however long I've been here.

I can keep on identifying benefits as they appear and as I see them, but I fear that won't satisfy DGRs expecation, indeed I'm pretty confident I never could do that.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 14:45

At least we can put those damn foreigners in their place though. Eh ?

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/foreign-nhs-workers-risk-being-denied-covid-vaccine-england

Foreign NHS workers treating Covid patients are at risk of being denied vaccinations because of internal guidelines about who can receive the jab, the Guardian has learned.

Documents circulated among staff at one leading hospital show vaccinators have been told they must not immunise anyone without an NHS number.

(contd)

When the census comes, I don't think I'll be identifying as English.

Shrillharridan · 22/01/2021 14:46

Me either, dgr

prettybird · 22/01/2021 14:48

It will come as no surprise to know I'd always have been identifying myself as Scottish Grin

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 14:50

I can keep on identifying benefits as they appear and as I see them, but I fear that won't satisfy DGRs expecation, indeed I'm pretty confident I never could do that.

You don't get a pass like that. It was remainers in 2016 that said leaving the EU would be complex fraught and uncertain.

It was Leavers who said "Do shut up*, we know all the benefits in advance and here they are ....^

So if you have to post-facto find the "benefits of Brexit" then by it's own definition it has failed. Not only has it failed, but Remainers called it perfectly.

*Since this is a family show, I've not used the exact language.

Peregrina · 22/01/2021 14:52

A bonus could be that there will be much more work for Customs clerks. Ideally though, it would be good to hear of jobs being created which are productive and make things or do some positive good, like teaching or nursing, not just fill in forms for the Government.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 14:56

A bonus could be that there will be much more work for Customs clerks.

Which will be a function of import volume thought. More clerks means more imports. Not really something I'd be shouting about.

I'm vaguely reminded of the 80s when ITV used to finish the news with a tally of jobs lost and jobs gained that week. Spitting Image nailed it with a microscopic sticker in Sheffield for 10,000 jobs going, and a GB sized star sticker for "A part time paper round in Oldham".

HarrietPierce · 22/01/2021 15:16

Brexit not going so well for June.

"June Mummery – champion of the "Brexit will be great for fishing" cause – has finally realised that Brexit will in fact destroy the fishing industry.

"I have no fish," she says..."

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 15:23

@HarrietPierce

Brexit not going so well for June.

"June Mummery – champion of the "Brexit will be great for fishing" cause – has finally realised that Brexit will in fact destroy the fishing industry.

"I have no fish," she says..."

What's the old aphorism about better to stay quiet and be thought an idiot than open your mouth to confirm the fact ?
newstart1234 · 22/01/2021 15:27

My Boris voting red wall English relatives proudly announced to me today ‘good news today for us here - nissans not leaving!’ 🤨

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 15:29

@newstart1234

My Boris voting red wall English relatives proudly announced to me today ‘good news today for us here - nissans not leaving!’ 🤨
Should forward the story to Mummery and the fisherfolk.
Peregrina · 22/01/2021 15:35

Potentially Nissan is good news if they make batteries here and not in Japan, but I still see it as more of a standing still operation.

pointythings · 22/01/2021 15:35

@DGRossetti

At least we can put those damn foreigners in their place though. Eh ?

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/foreign-nhs-workers-risk-being-denied-covid-vaccine-england

Foreign NHS workers treating Covid patients are at risk of being denied vaccinations because of internal guidelines about who can receive the jab, the Guardian has learned.

Documents circulated among staff at one leading hospital show vaccinators have been told they must not immunise anyone without an NHS number.

(contd)

When the census comes, I don't think I'll be identifying as English.

That article mentions an NHS Trust in my patch.

We refer to them as NWAFT. They don't like it. I'm going to do it more and harder now.

ListeningQuietly · 22/01/2021 15:38

Nissan are in the middle of a worldwide restructuring.
Nissan took SHIT TONS of grants and bonuses to open and keep open the Sunderland plant
www.economist.com/business/1999/10/21/o-hayo-gozaimasu-mon-ami

I am more inclined to think that they are assuming that Brexit will come to a head before they have to make any tangible decisions.

European Car manufacturing overcapacity was 30% BEFORE Covid.
Car sales dropped 90% in 2020
They are unlikely to go back to where they were in a hurry
and with Biden back in the Paris accord
restructuring will be the order of the day

newstart
Do they like electric cars ?