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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Peregrina · 22/01/2021 09:27

I do wonder whether the Government anticipated the ferry companies diverting their services to Ireland. The ferry companies were obviously aware of the likely effects of Brexit, seeing the speed with which they set up the alternative routes.

Similarly, fishermen landing catches in Denmark must have been an unanticipated effect.

TatianaBis · 22/01/2021 09:38

@Peregrina

It's a bit rich of Mark Reckless to complain though.
Is quite extraordinary!
DrBlackbird · 22/01/2021 09:39

I think Mistigri has a point about not engaging. There is no interest in actual discussion from Clav or others like Cycling. It's a desire to get a response. Quite attention seeking really.

Chersfrozenface · 22/01/2021 09:55

Good news for Sunderland, according to the BBC

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930

I do note one sentence in the quote from the CEO, though:
"We are committed to Sunderland for the long term under the business conditions that have been agreed."

So any shenanigans actions by the UK government that result in changes to trade arrangements with the EU will presumably cause a rethink on Nissan's part.

DrBlackbird · 22/01/2021 10:16

I just dropped down the Mark Reckless rabbit hole out of curiosity. Doesn't seem his background in economics helped him to understand international trade issues. Anyhow, now I see that he's gone from Tory to UKIP to Conserative Party member to Brexit Party and now to a single issue party running on a platform to abolish the Welsh Assembly.

Wrt to this party, it was this sentence that I'm trying to get my head around: "Most of the people who supported the Brexit party - two thirds - said they wanted to abolish the Assembly or Senedd and I think those people deserve to be represented in politics"

So people who deserve to be represented in politics deserve to have that representation taken away from them? Or am I missing something here? Confused

mrslaughan · 22/01/2021 10:31

This just made me so sad....

twitter.com/bylinetv/status/1352352805273657347?s=21

HappyWinter · 22/01/2021 10:40

I feel sorry for him too. Bad news on an individual level for these businesses and for the country as a whole, all these small businesses add up. A lot of people didn't realise what they were voting for, any negative projections were dismissed as project fear.

Mamamia456 · 22/01/2021 11:06

Stop behaving like a load of schoolkids. You're moaning because Clavinova and other Leavers are posting on here, claiming as you put it "trying to derail the the thread", but how many of you commented on the Brexit Arms threads, trying to derail those and get them deleted. You can't have one rule for your threads and another for the leavers' threads. Grow up.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 11:07

@HappyWinter

I feel sorry for him too. Bad news on an individual level for these businesses and for the country as a whole, all these small businesses add up. A lot of people didn't realise what they were voting for, any negative projections were dismissed as project fear.
How sorry did he feel for people who have lost rights for this shitshow ?

All of a sudden I don't feel sorry at all. And fuck that for a game of these soldiers.

These arseholes ripped something away from us (well, not so much me) that can never be replaced without even acknowledging it's worth.

If Brexit were a Gilbert and Sullivan piece, the final act would be all the fishermen of the UK having retrained as fishing guides for the rich and wealthy tourists who make all the coastal ports of the UK a mini London every summer with all cultures and languages (except British English) enjoying climate change Britain.

22nd Day of Brexit, and I am still rather cross.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 11:09

@Mamamia456

Stop behaving like a load of schoolkids. You're moaning because Clavinova and other Leavers are posting on here, claiming as you put it "trying to derail the the thread", but how many of you commented on the Brexit Arms threads, trying to derail those and get them deleted. You can't have one rule for your threads and another for the leavers' threads. Grow up.
One thing Brexit has taught me is how there are some rules for some, and other rules for others. And Brexiteers like it that way. So it's only right to run discussions the same way

That said, no one owns threads.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 22/01/2021 11:13

@Mamamia456

Stop behaving like a load of schoolkids. You're moaning because Clavinova and other Leavers are posting on here, claiming as you put it "trying to derail the the thread", but how many of you commented on the Brexit Arms threads, trying to derail those and get them deleted. You can't have one rule for your threads and another for the leavers' threads. Grow up.
# triggered
TheElementsOfMedical · 22/01/2021 11:18

@Mamamia456

Stop behaving like a load of schoolkids. You're moaning because Clavinova and other Leavers are posting on here, claiming as you put it "trying to derail the the thread", but how many of you commented on the Brexit Arms threads, trying to derail those and get them deleted. You can't have one rule for your threads and another for the leavers' threads. Grow up.
Oh dear, because You Won, you want to dictate to and/or erase the Losers? Is this an example of a laudable Patriotic ToryBrexitannian National Characteristic going forward? Should we be teaching this in New ToryBrexitannian Citizenship classes in school? Wink
borntobequiet · 22/01/2021 11:19

I do wonder whether the Government anticipated the ferry companies diverting their services to Ireland.

I think it was known about some time ago and definitely discussed on here. The trouble with this Government is that they appear to be utterly incapable of forward planning as they are devoid of imagination, and don’t realise that others are capable of it. Consequently their only mode is reactive. They’re on the back foot with everything. It would be amazing, but it’s become normalised, like Trump and his antics. In the US the change of administration is beginning to bring it home to people just how extraordinary the last four years have been - unfortunately, we’ve still got a way to go.

Peregrina · 22/01/2021 11:20

Yes, you can feel some sympathy, but at the same time, it needs to be repeated that if Johnson and his team had been prepared to negotiate properly, many problems could have been avoided.

They have a dog in the manger attitude that if they can't get what they want then no-one can have it. Johnson and cronies are now being completely blinded by dogma - EU bad. They do need reminding to that Trump is an ex-President.

borntobequiet · 22/01/2021 11:25

how many of you commented on the Brexit Arms threads

Not me. I preferred the relative sanity, good humour and reasoned discussions to be found on toilet brush threads on AIBU.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 11:25

I do wonder whether the Government anticipated the ferry companies diverting their services to Ireland.

There must be a word - beyond fucking thick as pigshit (and Clav I admit that's 3 words) - for the sort of fucking thick as pigshit neural activity that some pass off as "thinking" that means people are totally and utterly incapable of understanding that if you touch "A" in a system somewhere, then eventually "Z" will be affected. Meaning that the change you made to a dynamic system has - in and of itself - caused that system to further change. (Parents might recognised this as "growing up" ?)

Case in hand is the UKs departing the EU is probably the best thing that could have happened to the EU in the long run. It's forced changed where it's now rippling through.

Incidentally, the Google/Australia story just shows why Google would need to be in the EU long before being in the UK, when it comes to dealing with important markets and regulators.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 11:29

Yes, you can feel some sympathy, but at the same time, it needs to be repeated that if Johnson and his team had been prepared to negotiate properly, many problems could have been avoided.

Oh, thanks for reminding me.

That's even less sympathy I have now - I think we're running at a deficit. Not only did these idiots vote for the Brexit they are now richly getting. They fucking decided that of all the idiots among them, the best placed to deliver that with minimal fuckups was Boris fucking Johnson. Proven liar, cheat and violent bully boy thug. And now they expect sympathy ?

Double fuck that. I was only reflecting on the Brexit vote originally ...

HannibalHayes · 22/01/2021 11:34

So, Coca Cola has moved it's headquarters to the Netherlands, and Mining Giant Berkeley has moved it's to Spain.

Explicitly because of Brexit.

Doesn't seem to merit a mention in the UK press...

ListeningQuietly · 22/01/2021 11:37

This morning during my Yoga class one of the Brexiters said
the UK just has to get more imaginative on trade
I logged out at that stage

RedToothBrush · 22/01/2021 11:38

The UK trading position with the EU is untenable in the long run...

...its just a question of how long it takes for the penny to drop.

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HannibalHayes · 22/01/2021 11:38

And apparently, the fisherman now regretting his vote was quite vocal about Brexit previously.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 11:40

@HannibalHayes

So, Coca Cola has moved it's headquarters to the Netherlands, and Mining Giant Berkeley has moved it's to Spain.

Explicitly because of Brexit.

Doesn't seem to merit a mention in the UK press...

And why ?

So they have direct access to the EU for regulatory discussions. It's in the title : Coca-Cola and Berkeley leave UK for Brexit regulatory purposes

No point being in the UK anymore if you want to lean on the EU.

Bravo Britain !

TheElementsOfMedical · 22/01/2021 11:40

the UK just has to get more imaginative on trade

To be fair, if there was a global market for entitled whinging and special pleading, TruToryBrexitannianPatriots would be world-beating producers. They could start by working out how to bottle it and go on from there.

RedToothBrush · 22/01/2021 11:43

@ListeningQuietly

This morning during my Yoga class one of the Brexiters said the UK just has to get more imaginative on trade I logged out at that stage
'Imagination'.

Why would anyone want to buy expensive UK products right now? Its more effort and due to the pandemic a lot of buying power has disappeared. The market for products pitched at the luxury end of the market has shrunk, plus we now can no longer compete for mid range or low end products.

This is applicable both to the EU market and the Non-EU market.

I don't think its me, lacking in imagination.

Imagination doesn't really help Welsh Lamb Farmers with a field of sheep. Or fisherman with a bunch of seafood. They can't exactly change their product over night.

Its lack of being able to imagine how fucked this makes us, thats the problem here.

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RedToothBrush · 22/01/2021 11:44

And if we had that imagination, we could have and should have been using it inside the EU.

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